BMW M3 CSL or Mitsubishi Evo MR FQ 340
Discussion
Two cars for sale at a North London dealer and i was wondering something.
If you wanted a very fast, good handling, but fairly roomy car, which would you choose?
A mate went to look at the CSL, but spotted the newer and cheaper Mitsubishi and is now stumped as to what to buy.
The CSL is a 2003 (53) i believe for £36K and the EVO is a 2005 (55) for £29K.
If you wanted a very fast, good handling, but fairly roomy car, which would you choose?
A mate went to look at the CSL, but spotted the newer and cheaper Mitsubishi and is now stumped as to what to buy.
The CSL is a 2003 (53) i believe for £36K and the EVO is a 2005 (55) for £29K.
CSL every time, it has everything the Mitsubishi doesn't, class, glorious induction, great image and cracking residuals and it's a far better place to be sat behind the wheel, the mitsubishi is a hoot to drive but awfully manic and just feels like a plastic parts bin, so to sum up, go for the CSL
taffyracer said:
CSL every time, it has everything the Mitsubishi doesn't, class, glorious induction, great image and cracking residuals and it's a far better place to be sat behind the wheel, the mitsubishi is a hoot to drive but awfully manic and just feels like a plastic parts bin, so to sum up, go for the CSL
especially the residuals bit.
Two good cars, but one is a lot better than the other for my want of getting the back end right out. It depends on whether you want 4WD. I have had many and now want to stick with 2WD as it gives more fun for me. The CSL is great on the road and track. I try not driving it for a few days and then when you do, that certain smile returns.
MrFlibbles said:
Of course, if you asked the same question in Jap Chat, I'm sure you'd get an equally biased opinion the other way 
and then Japmeister trackdemon ruined it
trackdemon said:
CSL is:
Classier
Cooler
More fun to drive
Better sounding
(much) Nicer inside
Rarer
Residually stronger
(potentially) Cheaper to run
BETTER.
But then it ought to be considering its new list price was twice that of the EVO, which kinda makes it a bargain now...
Classier
Cooler
More fun to drive
Better sounding
(much) Nicer inside
Rarer
Residually stronger
(potentially) Cheaper to run
BETTER.
But then it ought to be considering its new list price was twice that of the EVO, which kinda makes it a bargain now...
I stand corrected!
interesting dilema to have!
never driven a CSL but have had M3's, have also had lots of EVO's including 2 x MR FQ 340's.
Both cars suffered terible early depreciation but that seems to have flatened out now making both terrific value.
CSL faster and better built but more expensive; likely to hold its current value better.
EVO is a hoot to drive and offers a different sensation to a quick BMW but probably will suffer from more depreciation and silly running costs.
Buy the CSL now, sell it in < 1 yr recouping most of the money then buy an MR in a years time when it ill be even cheaper!
never driven a CSL but have had M3's, have also had lots of EVO's including 2 x MR FQ 340's.
Both cars suffered terible early depreciation but that seems to have flatened out now making both terrific value.
CSL faster and better built but more expensive; likely to hold its current value better.
EVO is a hoot to drive and offers a different sensation to a quick BMW but probably will suffer from more depreciation and silly running costs.
Buy the CSL now, sell it in < 1 yr recouping most of the money then buy an MR in a years time when it ill be even cheaper!
rallycross, you say the CSL is faster. Interesting.
Why would it be faster with similar bhp, (CSL 360-Evo 345) but less torque in lbs-ft (CSL 275-Evo 321), bearing also in mind that the Evo is also lighter and has the 4wd traction advantage?
Just wondering.
As for depreciation, is that right, that the CSL was almost £60K new? If so, the owner has lost a frightening amount over 3 years.
Why would it be faster with similar bhp, (CSL 360-Evo 345) but less torque in lbs-ft (CSL 275-Evo 321), bearing also in mind that the Evo is also lighter and has the 4wd traction advantage?
Just wondering.
As for depreciation, is that right, that the CSL was almost £60K new? If so, the owner has lost a frightening amount over 3 years.
Beemer-5 said:
Unless i have misunderstood, the residuals are awful on the CSL to start with and then steady down.
Weren't they something crazy like £60K new?
Weren't they something crazy like £60K new?
Yes they were mate....without any options.....like a stereo !!
In my honest opinion, if any of us were that worried about the resale values of any car we'd all be very hesitant in purchasing them in the first place and just wait till the vehicles were 5+ years old ish.
Ok so the CSL may have lost best part of 50% of its original value, but doesn't every marquee of motor car (obviously excluding the EXTREMELY rare machines).
But in a few years time if you fancy another change, i think the interest would be a lot grater in a well kept CSL than an EVO because of the rarity value. Where as the EVO is another mk v/v1/v11/v111/1x/x....for me, over kill in what is in its own right a very very good car but also very differant to the CSL.
Beemer-5 said:
rallycross, you say the CSL is faster. Interesting.
Why would it be faster with similar bhp, (CSL 360-Evo 345) but less torque in lbs-ft (CSL 275-Evo 321), bearing also in mind that the Evo is also lighter and has the 4wd traction advantage?
Just wondering.
As for depreciation, is that right, that the CSL was almost £60K new? If so, the owner has lost a frightening amount over 3 years.
Why would it be faster with similar bhp, (CSL 360-Evo 345) but less torque in lbs-ft (CSL 275-Evo 321), bearing also in mind that the Evo is also lighter and has the 4wd traction advantage?
Just wondering.
As for depreciation, is that right, that the CSL was almost £60K new? If so, the owner has lost a frightening amount over 3 years.
Standard CSL makes 373bhp here-
www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?t=272130&f=72&h=0
With a full after market exhaust system which an FQ evo already has the CSL might go past 380bhp.
Edited by richycsl on Friday 23 June 12:47
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