M3 CSL on the Dyno

M3 CSL on the Dyno

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billy83

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152 posts

237 months

Monday 22nd May 2006
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Put my CSL on the dynos at Thorney motorsport this afternoon and got 310 bhp at the wheels and an estimated 373 bhp at the flywheel! (its bog standard but might've been a press car so probably fellted a little !)
Well happy !!

Anyone else dyno'd theirs and if so what did you manage?

Also would love to know what normal M3s get as well.

RichyCSL

3,741 posts

224 months

Monday 22nd May 2006
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Excuse my utter stupidity but what does "at the flywheel" mean? Does that mean yours is 13bhp more than the 360 bhp quoted by BMW (or in the flyer it says the car is 360 PS)?

Frik

13,554 posts

250 months

Monday 22nd May 2006
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Manufacturers tend to state "flywheel" figures, that is the power of the engine without losses through the transmission.

You can't measure flywheel bhp with the engine still in the car, so power is measured on a rolling road and the flywheel bhp estimated from this figure.

vixpy1

42,676 posts

271 months

Monday 22nd May 2006
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Same dyno as ours, so I would trust the results.. and its impressive for an M car, most don't make the power. Never done a CSL, but i've heard 350 is the average

You have a very good one there

billy83

Original Poster:

152 posts

237 months

Monday 22nd May 2006
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Thanks mate, think the guys down in munich must've done something to it! It always seemed stronger at places like VMAX where it'd always pull harder than the other CSLs and quite regularly beat ferraris to 120mph.

My bro had his GT3 done (this has been chipped) and he got an estimated 412 bhp at the flywheel, 346 on the road.

Both left with big fat smiles on our faces!

John said he thinks people should quote power put down to the road because there's so much scope in the estimation process but i wasn't complaining!

vixpy1

42,676 posts

271 months

Monday 22nd May 2006
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He's absolutely correct, however, just one question, on the dyno sheet, it will have a 'shoot_6' or 'Shoot_4' at the bottom near the gear an tyre pressure bits..

Which is it?

m12_nathan

5,138 posts

266 months

Monday 22nd May 2006
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How did he get it to rev beyond 6k on the dyno? Impressive figures!

vixpy1

42,676 posts

271 months

Monday 22nd May 2006
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m12_nathan said:
How did he get it to rev beyond 6k on the dyno? Impressive figures!


I was told that it could'nt be done, however was speaking to someone who had one of the dyno and they were asking me if you could run one, i said.. as far as i know (I have never done one) you can't but it might be worth doing the standard BMW trick of pushing and holding the TC button down for 4 secs.. and apparently it worked!

billy83

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152 posts

237 months

Monday 22nd May 2006
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Thats what he did. Ask John at Thorney about it but i'm pretty sure he said you have to put it on the rolling road then turn the car off for a bit. Then its something like turn the car on press the sport button on then holf the DSC button for 10 secs. Sometimes it works and only on some cars but you usually get 3-4 runs before the ecu realises whats going on and stops all the fun. Peak power was at 7800 so it must've worked on mine!

At the bottom it says "shoot 6"

John said something about this, how does tire pressure affect the figures?

vixpy1

42,676 posts

271 months

Monday 22nd May 2006
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on cars of that power, not much at all.. when you push 500+ it does because the tyres can squish.

Shoot_6 is what i thought.. spot on!

Someone send me a CSL, I want to actually do one as opposed to tell everyone else how to do one

Luca1973

11,203 posts

257 months

Monday 22nd May 2006
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Billy, pretty good jump in cars mate from a Saxo to a CSL. Nice one.

billy83

Original Poster:

152 posts

237 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Needed a bit more power (to say the least!) Got rid of the saxo now and have a clio trophy instead. F**king incredible car, perfect for the road!

Any Dyno'd M3s out there guys? If not does anyone know what they usually get?

vixpy1

42,676 posts

271 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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billy83 said:


Any Dyno'd M3s out there guys? If not does anyone know what they usually get?


E46 M3.. We got 320bhp

RichyCSL

3,741 posts

224 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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The CSL engines were hand picked or something werent they? Therefore they all should make more power than claimed.

billy83

Original Poster:

152 posts

237 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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I think they just put the best engines in the CSLs like they do with GT3 RSs. Most don't hit the quoted power, most hit around 340-350 apparently.

Porsches are supposed to hit their power far more regularly: "they have especially strong horses in Stuttgart" ... or so they say!

CSL's a much better car tho

s3am

1,383 posts

259 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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billy83 said:
CSL's a much better car tho


Your just fishing now, ahem!

billy83

Original Poster:

152 posts

237 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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S3am said: "In my experience the CSL is a much more fun car on track, for the reasons DrD says. The GT3 ultimately more capable. If I were to have one car only, it would be the CSL."



thorney

408 posts

267 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Yep, it was a good car. We specialise in E46 M3's and CSL's and dyno'ing them is an art form as the DSC can be a complete pig. CSL's seem to give reasonably good numbers, M3's less so but a lot of tuners just run them to 6500 rpm then just extrapolate out the full power figures, we run them to full power.

m3john

5,974 posts

226 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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vixpy1 said:
billy83 said:


Any Dyno'd M3s out there guys? If not does anyone know what they usually get?


E46 M3.. We got 320bhp


Don't suppose you fancy doing a late model e36 M3. Would love to know just how well its running.

>> Edited by m3john on Wednesday 24th May 01:10

HTR

5 posts

246 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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I had my E46 M3 (smg) cab tuned and dynoed at Kelleners Germany.

Standard 327hp

391hp with the following: Supersprint race kats, unsilenced centre section, race lightweight rear silencer, Kelleners race cams, alpha-n management, remap and csl type carbon airbox. Car also had a 4:10 diff fitted (obviously no gain in power with this)