E36 M3 Brakes any good for the track?

E36 M3 Brakes any good for the track?

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jamiep

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1,791 posts

225 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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Hey guys,

Ive got a E36 M3 GT2 today that i plan on using for trackdays and the odd ring trip, the disc's look healthy and plenty of life in the pads but the brakes dont feel much good after a bit of a spirited drive if im honest.

If i was to go with a uprated pad (performanace friction maybe?) would they make much difference? or is my only option a uprated brake kit such as AP?

andye30m3

3,466 posts

260 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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I've used my e36 m3 on the track and didn't find he brakes up to the job

Hoping to head over to the ring on the summer and want an ap racing or similar set up to make the trip worth while.

ASBO

26,140 posts

220 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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[pedant mode]
It's not a GT2 it's a Evo Individual.
[/pedant mode]

Sorry, things like that annoy individuals like me who have nothing better to do on a Saturday night than to oggle over Ruth on the X Factor and get uber geeky over old BMWs smile

Anyway, Lovely car all the same. The answer to your question is yes. The standard brakes cope well, however you will need to make sure of the following and make some modifications:

Check that the discs have plenty of life in them. Any rust or pitting and they'll need replaced. If you do replace them, make sure you fit genuine BMW items. Avoid aftermarket rubish like black diamond etc like the plague.

Next, fit some decent braided hoses (ironically, Black Diamond make good ones), some decent race-spec dot 5.1 fluid and finally some proper pads. In my experience of track driving, there is no better pad out there than Pagid. Take your pic as to compound, but Pagid really are the dog's knackers. Expensive yes, but worth it I promise you. I fitted all the above to my Evo for a 'ring trip in April and the brakes lasted 25 laps without so much as even the slightest hint of fade. That's 320 odd miles of 8mpg driving and the brakes performed flawlessly.

HTH

ASBO

26,140 posts

220 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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andye30m3 said:
I've used my e36 m3 on the track and didn't find he brakes up to the job

Hoping to head over to the ring on the summer and want an ap racing or similar set up to make the trip worth while.
No need. See above. Unless you are racing, then the AP option is a waste of money. Trust me.

jamiep

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1,791 posts

225 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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Thanks for the info, thats just the sort of info i was hoping for, i will start looking into pads now.

I drive hard on track and dont want the brakes wrecking my day.

Whats the score with the GT2 thing then? why does everyone call them a GT2 if its not?



Edited by jamiep on Saturday 25th October 20:56

ASBO

26,140 posts

220 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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jamiep said:
Thanks for the info, thats just the sort of info i was hoping for, i will start looking into pads now.

I drive hard on track and dont want the brakes wrecking my day.

Whats the score with the GT2 thing then? why does everyone call them a GT2 if its not?

Edited by jamiep on Saturday 25th October 20:56
It is regarded as the follow on to the GT (hence 'GT2') which was only available in British Racing Green. It is in fact not much more than an Evo with different interior but like I said, a lovely car all the same. See here for more info http://www.m3gtregister.com/.

Also make sure all your brake lines etc are up to scratch and you wont go wrong with the set-up I highlighted above. A friend fitted an AP kit to his E39 M5 and wished he'd never bothered. That's not to say AP are crap, but you will do yourself very little favour by fitting a £2k set of AP's.

Edited by ASBO on Saturday 25th October 21:07

jamiep

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225 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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Thanks for that link, very interesting.

andye30m3

3,466 posts

260 months

Saturday 25th October 2008
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ASBO said:
andye30m3 said:
I've used my e36 m3 on the track and didn't find he brakes up to the job

Hoping to head over to the ring on the summer and want an ap racing or similar set up to make the trip worth while.
No need. See above. Unless you are racing, then the AP option is a waste of money. Trust me.
I'll have to give it a go, mine are getting close to needing changing and don't really want the expense of buying an ap kit. Not planning on racing it for a couple of years although long term would like to

dan101smith

16,857 posts

217 months

Sunday 26th October 2008
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Standard OEM discs are absolutely fine, it really comes down to the pads you use.

I have Pagid RS29s all round, and they are brilliant for stopping the car, but terrible for day-to-day driving, because the rears rattle SO MUCH. I will fit OEM rear pads once I've done my next track day, but it's a shame really. Normal pads have the 3 clips that fit inside the piston, Pagids don't, hence why they rattle.

On track, the 2 biggest let-downs of the E36 are the brake and suspension, so if you can sort those out then you're on to a winner!

jamiep

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225 months

Sunday 26th October 2008
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Cheers guys, what suspension kit do people recommend?

taffyracer

2,093 posts

249 months

Sunday 26th October 2008
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If you're serious about it then i wouldn't look anywhere else than Intrax, have sold many a set for E36's and for the money nothing else will touch them, agree with the brakes as well to some extent, pads and fluid are the most important factor and will transform standard brakes but a standard set up will never compare to an AP set up with the same decent pads and fluid

Edited by taffyracer on Sunday 26th October 07:53

jamiep

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Sunday 26th October 2008
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Any link to the Intrax stuff?

I like big brakes and still tempted to go with a big brake kit, i have the Brembo monoblock kit on my supra.






m12_nathan

5,138 posts

265 months

Sunday 26th October 2008
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caneswell

44 posts

229 months

Sunday 26th October 2008
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Fully agree with the other replies here. New BMW discs, some braided lines, decent fluid and Pagid pads will be fine.

I've got Pagid RS-29s on my E30 m3 and they are amazing. Never got them to fade on lots of nurburgring laps and they seem to be lasting really well too. They also work fine from cold. They can be quite squealy but all good track pads will be.

I've also fitted the Bimmerworld brass caliper bushings to help stiffen up the caliper and therefore brake pedal.

dan101smith

16,857 posts

217 months

Sunday 26th October 2008
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Another thumbs up on Intrax from me - that's what's on my M3, and highly recommended. Will also be putting the 1K2 kit on my next project.

scz4

2,565 posts

247 months

Sunday 26th October 2008
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How's the ride quality of the Intrax kit. Is it too harsh if used on the road?

G

dan101smith

16,857 posts

217 months

Sunday 26th October 2008
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I think it's fine, but I don't do many miles so I'm prepared to put up with additional harshness.