m coupe prices
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Don't believe everything you read. The interior looks naff in photos but in reality it looks really good. The handling's fine, but it certainly doesn't ride like a 2008 vintage car. On a track it's heavier than more regular track cars, but it can still hold it's own.
They're relatively rare and most will not be affected by the £400-£440 tax bracket that comes in next March.
If you're considering a ZMC, what are your alternatives? 350Zs are still Jap imports at ZMC prices, nothing else bar a TVR really fits in the same category, does it?
They're relatively rare and most will not be affected by the £400-£440 tax bracket that comes in next March.
If you're considering a ZMC, what are your alternatives? 350Zs are still Jap imports at ZMC prices, nothing else bar a TVR really fits in the same category, does it?
The Z3MCoupe is a true drivers car like the E30 M3 and attracts enthusiasts who can appreciate the cars unique styling and individual design. It has tremendous grunt and go and having been thro. the welsh valleys and brecon Beacons this last weekend leaves you with a big grin.
Watch the prices for the lower milers creep northwards.
Watch the prices for the lower milers creep northwards.
skh said:
The Z3MCoupe is a true drivers car like the E30 M3 and attracts enthusiasts who can appreciate the cars unique styling and individual design. It has tremendous grunt and go and having been thro. the welsh valleys and brecon Beacons this last weekend leaves you with a big grin.
Watch the prices for the lower milers creep northwards.
But yet it's E36 cousin would p155 all over it for almost half the price...Watch the prices for the lower milers creep northwards.
ASBO said:
skh said:
The Z3MCoupe is a true drivers car like the E30 M3 and attracts enthusiasts who can appreciate the cars unique styling and individual design. It has tremendous grunt and go and having been thro. the welsh valleys and brecon Beacons this last weekend leaves you with a big grin.
Watch the prices for the lower milers creep northwards.
But yet it's E36 cousin would p155 all over it for almost half the price...Watch the prices for the lower milers creep northwards.
It has better weight distribution and much better driver feel than the e36.
The fact that it shares the same engine, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realise that the performance will be pretty similar despite a small weight difference.
The Z3M handles a lot better than the e36 m3!
I took my Z3M Coupe on the track with some of the Z3MCoupe.com lads a couple of years back and the couple of e36 m3's there as well, if anything, were slower!
Rags said:
ASBO said:
skh said:
The Z3MCoupe is a true drivers car like the E30 M3 and attracts enthusiasts who can appreciate the cars unique styling and individual design. It has tremendous grunt and go and having been thro. the welsh valleys and brecon Beacons this last weekend leaves you with a big grin.
Watch the prices for the lower milers creep northwards.
But yet it's E36 cousin would p155 all over it for almost half the price...Watch the prices for the lower milers creep northwards.
It has better weight distribution and much better driver feel than the e36.
The fact that it shares the same engine, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realise that the performance will be pretty similar despite a small weight difference.
The Z3M handles a lot better than the e36 m3!
I took my Z3M Coupe on the track with some of the Z3MCoupe.com lads a couple of years back and the couple of e36 m3's there as well, if anything, were slower!
It is also damn quick and my old one was pissing off an E46CSL round a track quite easily!
I think it is a bit lighter than my E36 Evo. But it is very small inside and not very practical in comparison.
Prices are silly, but they are so different. Your almost sitting on the back wheels! What a great shape.
Rags said:
ASBO said:
skh said:
The Z3MCoupe is a true drivers car like the E30 M3 and attracts enthusiasts who can appreciate the cars unique styling and individual design. It has tremendous grunt and go and having been thro. the welsh valleys and brecon Beacons this last weekend leaves you with a big grin.
Watch the prices for the lower milers creep northwards.
But yet it's E36 cousin would p155 all over it for almost half the price...Watch the prices for the lower milers creep northwards.
It has better weight distribution and much better driver feel than the e36.
The fact that it shares the same engine, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realise that the performance will be pretty similar despite a small weight difference.
The Z3M handles a lot better than the e36 m3!
I took my Z3M Coupe on the track with some of the Z3MCoupe.com lads a couple of years back and the couple of e36 m3's there as well, if anything, were slower!
Also, in what way does it 'handle better'?
The E36 is the better balanced car in my experience (albeit they both share a 50/50 split on paper). As has been said above, the ZM Coupe tends to get a little lairy when things get bumpy. In that respect the longer wheelbase of the E36 would/does make for a quicker A-B tool. On track, things would undoubtedly be different with a standard car. However, I wouldn't know as my E36 has been modified for track work and as such tends to wipe the floor with anything remotely standard. Hopwever, the E36 is a very popular track tool, whereas the ZM Coupe is a rarer sight on track.
I've also yet to find a Z3 that makes as much power as it's cousin, owing to the different exhaust layout. Yes the differences are minimal, but I tend to think that the ZM Coupe is rather over-priced for what you get.
Looks as always are subjective, but I'm firmly in the camp that it's ugly as sin.
However, I appreciate your need to fight your corner
MANSFA said:
IIt feels more modern and feels like a better built machine.
I seriously doubt it, the Z3 shares much of it's suspension with the E30 series... 25 years old design almost. It doesn't have a particularly stiff or rigid chassis either and just generally feels very soft. I am guessing this is for the roadster, but it gives a clear idea of how lacking the Z3 is:BMW E36 Touring 10,900 Nm/deg
BMW Z3 5,600 Nm/deg
BMW Z4: 14,500 Nm/deg
I like the Z3M coupe, my mate used to have an S54 version and I now have an M3 Evo. Coming from a Z4 neither are particularly good handling as standard..... (well once you ditch the run flat tyres)
I agree the Evo won't become a classic though... doesn't mean I don't love it
G
Edited by gwatson on Thursday 22 May 14:11
skh said:
The Z3MCoupe is a true drivers car like the E30 M3 and attracts enthusiasts who can appreciate the cars unique styling and individual design. It has tremendous grunt and go and having been thro. the welsh valleys and brecon Beacons this last weekend leaves you with a big grin.
Watch the prices for the lower milers creep northwards.
Of course I've not driven one but if market experts are to be believed the Z3M is the opposite of an E30 M3......Watch the prices for the lower milers creep northwards.
Not just trying to push the price of your own example up are you?
My mate's got a ZMC, I've got an E34 M5. I've previously owned another E34 M5, an E36 328i, and an E39 530i.
I think the Z-axle cars have more grip. The Z-axle cars were also capable of scaring me, both of them.
The two E34 M5's are without a single doubt the most benign handling cars I've ever driven, in spite of semi-trailing rear end. They probably don't corner as fast as the E39, but you trust them much more. I could teach my mum power oversteer in them in an afternoon. The E39 was not as friendly or accomplished once adhesion was breached.
The ZMC is going classic status. Ok, it is a great engine in a car of only modest tech, lacking the developement hours of other M cars, but the fact that it was developed by proper enthusiasts in the company shines through, it is much stiffer than the roadster, and people just seem to love my mate's car. It is unique and hugely charismatic. I haven't tried to play silly b****rs with the back end as I've felt it is tyre dominated to make up for the fact that its suspension was not conceived to deal with 300+hp, and if it does let go suddenly I can't afford to fix it. It is lighter than E36 M3 to the tune of 1 second to 100 mph, and altogether more interesting than 320/520-alike M-cars, even though it's not really pretty. When did an E36 M3 ever look genuinely attractive - fabulous engine aside, it's a DEVICE. Slammed KW coilovers and big tyres will make most cars go round a smooth track. Does that equal fun? If it's sheer speed you're after then the RAW Striker (£6k) I used to own would dump on any BM round a circuit - 360 Modena pace.
If he can keep the mileage down the ZMC will hold its value approx £15k.
Our concept of car values may change anyway once oil hits $200.
The Z3 was cynical, but the ZMC was an engineers rebellion.
I think the Z-axle cars have more grip. The Z-axle cars were also capable of scaring me, both of them.
The two E34 M5's are without a single doubt the most benign handling cars I've ever driven, in spite of semi-trailing rear end. They probably don't corner as fast as the E39, but you trust them much more. I could teach my mum power oversteer in them in an afternoon. The E39 was not as friendly or accomplished once adhesion was breached.
The ZMC is going classic status. Ok, it is a great engine in a car of only modest tech, lacking the developement hours of other M cars, but the fact that it was developed by proper enthusiasts in the company shines through, it is much stiffer than the roadster, and people just seem to love my mate's car. It is unique and hugely charismatic. I haven't tried to play silly b****rs with the back end as I've felt it is tyre dominated to make up for the fact that its suspension was not conceived to deal with 300+hp, and if it does let go suddenly I can't afford to fix it. It is lighter than E36 M3 to the tune of 1 second to 100 mph, and altogether more interesting than 320/520-alike M-cars, even though it's not really pretty. When did an E36 M3 ever look genuinely attractive - fabulous engine aside, it's a DEVICE. Slammed KW coilovers and big tyres will make most cars go round a smooth track. Does that equal fun? If it's sheer speed you're after then the RAW Striker (£6k) I used to own would dump on any BM round a circuit - 360 Modena pace.
If he can keep the mileage down the ZMC will hold its value approx £15k.
Our concept of car values may change anyway once oil hits $200.
The Z3 was cynical, but the ZMC was an engineers rebellion.
gwatson said:
MANSFA said:
IIt feels more modern and feels like a better built machine.
I seriously doubt it, the Z3 shares much of it's suspension with the E30 series... 25 years old design almost. It doesn't have a particularly stiff or rigid chassis either and just generally feels very soft. I am guessing this is for the roadster, but it gives a clear idea of how lacking the Z3 is:BMW E36 Touring 10,900 Nm/deg
BMW Z3 5,600 Nm/deg
BMW Z4: 14,500 Nm/deg
I like the Z3M coupe, my mate used to have an S54 version and I now have an M3 Evo. Coming from a Z4 neither are particularly good handling as standard..... (well once you ditch the run flat tyres)
I agree the Evo won't become a classic though... doesn't mean I don't love it
G
Edited by gwatson on Thursday 22 May 14:11
Top pup said:
gwatson said:
MANSFA said:
IIt feels more modern and feels like a better built machine.
I seriously doubt it, the Z3 shares much of it's suspension with the E30 series... 25 years old design almost. It doesn't have a particularly stiff or rigid chassis either and just generally feels very soft. I am guessing this is for the roadster, but it gives a clear idea of how lacking the Z3 is:BMW E36 Touring 10,900 Nm/deg
BMW Z3 5,600 Nm/deg
BMW Z4: 14,500 Nm/deg
I like the Z3M coupe, my mate used to have an S54 version and I now have an M3 Evo. Coming from a Z4 neither are particularly good handling as standard..... (well once you ditch the run flat tyres)
I agree the Evo won't become a classic though... doesn't mean I don't love it
G
Edited by gwatson on Thursday 22 May 14:11
Baddie said:
My mate's got a ZMC, I've got an E34 M5. I've previously owned another E34 M5, an E36 328i, and an E39 530i.
I think the Z-axle cars have more grip. The Z-axle cars were also capable of scaring me, both of them.
The two E34 M5's are without a single doubt the most benign handling cars I've ever driven, in spite of semi-trailing rear end. They probably don't corner as fast as the E39, but you trust them much more. I could teach my mum power oversteer in them in an afternoon. The E39 was not as friendly or accomplished once adhesion was breached.
The ZMC is going classic status. Ok, it is a great engine in a car of only modest tech, lacking the developement hours of other M cars, but the fact that it was developed by proper enthusiasts in the company shines through, it is much stiffer than the roadster, and people just seem to love my mate's car. It is unique and hugely charismatic. I haven't tried to play silly b****rs with the back end as I've felt it is tyre dominated to make up for the fact that its suspension was not conceived to deal with 300+hp, and if it does let go suddenly I can't afford to fix it. It is lighter than E36 M3 to the tune of 1 second to 100 mph, and altogether more interesting than 320/520-alike M-cars, even though it's not really pretty. When did an E36 M3 ever look genuinely attractive - fabulous engine aside, it's a DEVICE. Slammed KW coilovers and big tyres will make most cars go round a smooth track. Does that equal fun? If it's sheer speed you're after then the RAW Striker (£6k) I used to own would dump on any BM round a circuit - 360 Modena pace.
If he can keep the mileage down the ZMC will hold its value approx £15k.
Our concept of car values may change anyway once oil hits $200.
The Z3 was cynical, but the ZMC was an engineers rebellion.
[URL=http://www.imagehosting.com] I think the Z-axle cars have more grip. The Z-axle cars were also capable of scaring me, both of them.
The two E34 M5's are without a single doubt the most benign handling cars I've ever driven, in spite of semi-trailing rear end. They probably don't corner as fast as the E39, but you trust them much more. I could teach my mum power oversteer in them in an afternoon. The E39 was not as friendly or accomplished once adhesion was breached.
The ZMC is going classic status. Ok, it is a great engine in a car of only modest tech, lacking the developement hours of other M cars, but the fact that it was developed by proper enthusiasts in the company shines through, it is much stiffer than the roadster, and people just seem to love my mate's car. It is unique and hugely charismatic. I haven't tried to play silly b****rs with the back end as I've felt it is tyre dominated to make up for the fact that its suspension was not conceived to deal with 300+hp, and if it does let go suddenly I can't afford to fix it. It is lighter than E36 M3 to the tune of 1 second to 100 mph, and altogether more interesting than 320/520-alike M-cars, even though it's not really pretty. When did an E36 M3 ever look genuinely attractive - fabulous engine aside, it's a DEVICE. Slammed KW coilovers and big tyres will make most cars go round a smooth track. Does that equal fun? If it's sheer speed you're after then the RAW Striker (£6k) I used to own would dump on any BM round a circuit - 360 Modena pace.
If he can keep the mileage down the ZMC will hold its value approx £15k.
Our concept of car values may change anyway once oil hits $200.
The Z3 was cynical, but the ZMC was an engineers rebellion.
[/URL]Exactly, just like Badie. I had a E34 535I then an E39 540I. Predictable handling from both.
Then I got myself my dream car Z3MC pictured above. :-(
This is what it can do to you without warning!
So far my E36 M3 Evo is far more predictable.
As is my Boxster S, which is devine on the twistys. But has not got the thump or power of the S50/54 engine.
However I still love the Z3MC and it is a great car.
Pentoman said:
skh said:
The Z3MCoupe is a true drivers car like the E30 M3 and attracts enthusiasts who can appreciate the cars unique styling and individual design. It has tremendous grunt and go and having been thro. the welsh valleys and brecon Beacons this last weekend leaves you with a big grin.
Watch the prices for the lower milers creep northwards.
Of course I've not driven one but if market experts are to be believed the Z3M is the opposite of an E30 M3......Watch the prices for the lower milers creep northwards.
Not just trying to push the price of your own example up are you?
My car is certainly NOT for sale so no need to push up the price. I shall let market forces do this as matter of course.
I have also never read (and I have read alot) anywhere that the Z3MC is opposite of an E30 M3. Where did you get this from?? and in what context??
The Z3MC (not to confuse with the Z3MR) is a Classic and therefore can only grow in respect and demand by those who appreciate it as a true sports.
So many people comment on cars without having driven one.
I've had a Z3M roadster/hardtop, M3 E46 & now a Z4M coupe.
The M3 was leagues ahead of the old suspension set-up of the Z3 and the Z4M is an improvement also.
However all cars are good. It's only till u drive it by the scruff of the neck u find its full potential. You will be surprised!!!
I've had a Z3M roadster/hardtop, M3 E46 & now a Z4M coupe.
The M3 was leagues ahead of the old suspension set-up of the Z3 and the Z4M is an improvement also.
However all cars are good. It's only till u drive it by the scruff of the neck u find its full potential. You will be surprised!!!
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