Specced my DSG M3

[waremark]

Have finally been asked to spec my DSG M3, first ordered in July 2005! Apparently scheduled for May production - does anyone know when production is starting?

Went for Melbourne Red, Black leather, and aluminium shadow trim. The price came to £58k, with DSG, EDC, comfort access, seat heating, PDC, Bluetooth prep, Hi-fi prof, and other bits. Standard wheels.

Any mistakes?

There were 5 cars at the dealer, new and used. One used was stickered at £49,995 before bargaining. Had the impression that new ones are sticking, with customers waiting for DSG.

[Slurms]

Yeah I'm still waiting for the DSG to come out before I decide if i'll take the plunge and get one..

[S65]

hi there well thats really wierd because im going to see my local BMW dealer
on monday to discuss when i can recieved mines, they have my full order and
deposit, i currently own the manual running 476 bhp,yeah believe it or not.
hopefully car will be featured in PBMW Early june.I will update all members
next week,

kind regards

s65

[GT Chipper]

waremark said:

There were 5 cars at the dealer, new and used. One used was stickered at £49,995 before bargaining. Had the impression that new ones are sticking, with customers waiting for DSG.

They're under £47000 for fully loaded before bargaining at dealers. You can only imagine what the trade bid would be

I'm not sure if that's because a lot of people are waiting for the DSG but i've just got the feeling the market is dead at the moment for cars like these. I dont want to ruin your day but i have a feeling that £58000 M3 would be worth in a year time £40000/£42000 at best. Personally i would take the saving and buy a used manual but then again i've no idea how good the DSG will be.

Edited by GT Chipper on Wednesday 13th February 18:55

[edb49]

S65 said:

hi there well thats really wierd because im going to see my local BMW dealer
on monday to discuss when i can recieved mines, they have my full order and
deposit, i currently own the manual running 476 bhp,yeah believe it or not.
hopefully car will be featured in PBMW Early june.I will update all members
next week,

kind regards

s65

E92 M3 with 476bhp??? Wow!

[EC2]

Manual cars are trading at £42/43k (they were £55/57k retail typically) at a few months old. How much of that is due to people waiting for the dual clutch I've no idea but the market is tough for all big engined petrol cars.

If you are buying for a year then have a 2nd hand manual. If you are buying for three years then enjoy your fully loaded DSG.

[Slurms]

So why are the values getting so soft then?

I didn't expect the new M3 to loose this much so fast..

[Pugsey]

Interesting comments here re values - although they do seem to be based on assumptions rather than first hand experience (with no insult intended btw). For what it's worth my, first hand, experience is that my car cost £56k back in Nov.'07 and my dealer is giving me £50k for it as a part ex. against a new X5 (Msport twin turbo diesel) in early March. Like me, I suspect a lot of sellers have long standing relationships with their BMW dealers and as a consequence, don't take anywhere near the hit people imagine. Around 10% over nearly six months and 5,000 miles seems pretty good to me.

[kith]

Pugsey said:

Interesting comments here re values - although they do seem to be based on assumptions rather than first hand experience (with no insult intended btw). For what it's worth my, first hand, experience is that my car cost £56k back in Nov.'07 and my dealer is giving me £50k for it as a part ex. against a new X5 (Msport twin turbo diesel) in early March. Like me, I suspect a lot of sellers have long standing relationships with their BMW dealers and as a consequence, don't take anywhere near the hit people imagine. Around 10% over nearly six months and 5,000 miles seems pretty good to me.

But was the part-ex price you were given in lieu of a discount on the X5?

[Pugsey]

kith said:

Pugsey said:

Interesting comments here re values - although they do seem to be based on assumptions rather than first hand experience (with no insult intended btw). For what it's worth my, first hand, experience is that my car cost £56k back in Nov.'07 and my dealer is giving me £50k for it as a part ex. against a new X5 (Msport twin turbo diesel) in early March. Like me, I suspect a lot of sellers have long standing relationships with their BMW dealers and as a consequence, don't take anywhere near the hit people imagine. Around 10% over nearly six months and 5,000 miles seems pretty good to me.

But was the part-ex price you were given in lieu of a discount on the X5?

No, got my usual discount on the X5, which, given it's the first of the new model to arrive at my dealer is a good deal. My point was that I believe dealers will accept MUCH smaller margins than people imagine on business with reliable repeat customers and pick up bigger profits in other deals. Fact remains I'm getting £50k for a nearly six month old car that cost £56k and this is an actual deal which I felt deserved mentioning in amongst the doom and gloom commentary.

Of course even if I was paying full price for the X5 that wouldn't effect the fact that I got £50k for the M3 would it. The discussion would become a future one re the depreciation on the X5 in say a years time surely.

[DRbeamer]

The new M DCT (M Double Clutch Transmission) is the one to go for gentlemen. & just wanted to say that DSG is an Audi thing.

The main thing that makes the MDCT different to the DSG is the fact that MDCT offeres uninterrupted power delivery and is a 7 speed double clutch transmission, DSG is 6 speed and has an 8 Milisecond interruption.

SOME INFO
M DCT employs two clutch packs (clutch assemblies) which, for the first time in a car in this class, allows the process of disengaging one gear and engaging another to overlap.

One clutch pack controls all the odd gears (1-3-5-7) and reverse, the second controls all the even gears (2-4-6).

While one gear is carrying engine torque to the rear wheels the gearing of the clutch pack not in use can be pre-selected based on information from the throttle position and rev counter. Therefore at exactly the same time as one clutch pack disengages the second engages with the next gear and no need to lift off the accelerator.

MORE HIGHLIGHTS

Low-Speed Assistant
Increased comfort during low speed driving (below 3mph) and parking. Comfort comparable to conventional automatic gearboxes

Auto-P (parking)
Uses the transmission to automatically activate a park brake when the engine is switched off, for maximum convenience

Shift Lights
Visual indication of optimum gear shift points for dynamic driving in sequential mode

Launch Control
Guarantees the fastest possible acceleration from standstill

DRIVELOGIC
Technology presents the M3 driver with their own personal transmission and allows gearshift characteristics to be user-defined

THANKS FOR READING AND SORRY FOR BEING SO SAD

[EC2]

Pugsey said:

Interesting comments here re values - although they do seem to be based on assumptions rather than first hand experience (with no insult intended btw). For what it's worth my, first hand, experience is that my car cost £56k back in Nov.'07 and my dealer is giving me £50k for it as a part ex. against a new X5 (Msport twin turbo diesel) in early March. Like me, I suspect a lot of sellers have long standing relationships with their BMW dealers and as a consequence, don't take anywhere near the hit people imagine. Around 10% over nearly six months and 5,000 miles seems pretty good to me.

Then you have done really well then. If you want to test it out then ring a few dealers and offer your M3 for a straight trade sale. I will be surprised if you get £45k. Your dealer obviously likes you!.

[Pugsey]

EC2 said:

Pugsey said:

Interesting comments here re values - although they do seem to be based on assumptions rather than first hand experience (with no insult intended btw). For what it's worth my, first hand, experience is that my car cost £56k back in Nov.'07 and my dealer is giving me £50k for it as a part ex. against a new X5 (Msport twin turbo diesel) in early March. Like me, I suspect a lot of sellers have long standing relationships with their BMW dealers and as a consequence, don't take anywhere near the hit people imagine. Around 10% over nearly six months and 5,000 miles seems pretty good to me.

Then you have done really well then. If you want to test it out then ring a few dealers and offer your M3 for a straight trade sale. I will be surprised if you get £45k. Your dealer obviously likes you!.

He bxxxdy well ought to given the dosh I've spent with him! I did try a little experiment about a month ago and at that time, calling other dealers 'cold' they were all offering £47k. As you say that would prob. be £45k come March. Again demonstrates my point that customers with a track record do rather better than the figs. tossed about on here would suggest. Roll on my CSL!

[GT Chipper]

Pugsey said:

Interesting comments here re values - although they do seem to be based on assumptions rather than first hand experience (with no insult intended btw). For what it's worth my, first hand, experience is that my car cost £56k back in Nov.'07 and my dealer is giving me £50k for it as a part ex. against a new X5 (Msport twin turbo diesel) in early March. Like me, I suspect a lot of sellers have long standing relationships with their BMW dealers and as a consequence, don't take anywhere near the hit people imagine. Around 10% over nearly six months and 5,000 miles seems pretty good to me.

Well the dealer is unlikely to get more than £50000 for your M3 when they try to sell it on so if you've managed to obtain a good discount on a new X5 then it sounds a fantastic deal.

[Pugsey]

GT Chipper said:

Pugsey said:

Interesting comments here re values - although they do seem to be based on assumptions rather than first hand experience (with no insult intended btw). For what it's worth my, first hand, experience is that my car cost £56k back in Nov.'07 and my dealer is giving me £50k for it as a part ex. against a new X5 (Msport twin turbo diesel) in early March. Like me, I suspect a lot of sellers have long standing relationships with their BMW dealers and as a consequence, don't take anywhere near the hit people imagine. Around 10% over nearly six months and 5,000 miles seems pretty good to me.

Well the dealer is unlikely to get more than £50000 for your M3 when they try to sell it on so if you've managed to obtain a good discount on a new X5 then it sounds a fantastic deal.

True, it's a great deal, but also an example of a dealer using his head surely. After all, I've already had umpteen cars from him all of which he'll have made money on, he earned on the M3 when he sold it to me new, he'll earn on the X5 despite the discount and of course on any future cars I buy from him.

[taffyracer]

who'se the dealer, very few I find are worthy of repeat business

[Pugsey]

taffyracer said:

who'se the dealer, very few I find are worthy of repeat business

Local to me. Very highly recommended. Don't want them bombarded with queries as I always agree to keep exact details of our deals private but if you want an intro ping me an e.mail via PHs mate.

[Rags]

DRbeamer said:

The new M DCT (M Double Clutch Transmission) is the one to go for gentlemen. & just wanted to say that DSG is an Audi thing.

The main thing that makes the MDCT different to the DSG is the fact that MDCT offeres uninterrupted power delivery and is a 7 speed double clutch transmission, DSG is 6 speed and has an 8 Milisecond interruption.

SOME INFO
M DCT employs two clutch packs (clutch assemblies) which, for the first time in a car in this class, allows the process of disengaging one gear and engaging another to overlap.

One clutch pack controls all the odd gears (1-3-5-7) and reverse, the second controls all the even gears (2-4-6).

While one gear is carrying engine torque to the rear wheels the gearing of the clutch pack not in use can be pre-selected based on information from the throttle position and rev counter. Therefore at exactly the same time as one clutch pack disengages the second engages with the next gear and no need to lift off the accelerator.

MORE HIGHLIGHTS

Low-Speed Assistant
Increased comfort during low speed driving (below 3mph) and parking. Comfort comparable to conventional automatic gearboxes

Auto-P (parking)
Uses the transmission to automatically activate a park brake when the engine is switched off, for maximum convenience

Shift Lights
Visual indication of optimum gear shift points for dynamic driving in sequential mode

Launch Control
Guarantees the fastest possible acceleration from standstill

DRIVELOGIC
Technology presents the M3 driver with their own personal transmission and allows gearshift characteristics to be user-defined

THANKS FOR READING AND SORRY FOR BEING SO SAD

only takes a few seconds to copy and paste!

[waremark]

Cannot afford to buy new to full spec and change quickly. Prefer to get the spec I want and keep the car for several years than to compromise spec and buy 2nd hand, then change sooner. So I will go ahead with the DCT. Thanks for the info on its spec - sounds good but only time will tell.

I will miss using the clutch pedal, but I expect faster changes, better acceleration and greater economy, combined with smoothness. This makes a manual rather irrational.