The Z4M/C why isnt it the icon it should be???
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maybe ive got "owners bias" or even somethink worse lol, but ive been reviewing the press of the z4m series and i honestly think its very very negative on what is an awesome car, evo gave the roadster 5 stars but thats the only recognition ive seen, and even they have seen dropped that to 4.5, i personally think it steers fantastic, handles and rides beautifully, sounds magnific, goes like a somethink else (few could match the sheer pace) the engine is just sublime, and its the last car to have the awesome s54 before the emissions issues kill it off for good, maybe ive just got "owners bias" but i realy feal its a very underated car and many people will come to realise this in years to come? any how this is my opinion and id love to here yours?????????????????????????????????????///M ,what do you think?
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Beedub said:
good, ha ha glad someone sees my sentiment and for the price atm i think it one of todays great bragins, anyone not agree?? id love to here why not?
Depends on what way you look at your cars, I love my cars but I have to keep an eye on the finance side unfortunately, so having a nice car must be tied up with some form of deal to get me into it in the 1st place. I Love my Z4M but but the ride and build quality is awful compared to a Cayman or an E46 M3 (same price bracket), the handling is just pure and the engine is in the best chassis to shine, it really is a great little car if you can overlook it's bad points.Everyone talks about it being a bargain, I did too when I bought it, but my advice would be to try and get a p/ex on one, I have been trying all week and the best I can get is 8k less than i paid for my car which only has an additional 7,000 miles on it in 6 months, it appears that no one wants to buy one back as there are so many that are very very cheap, so it's only a bargain if you are going to keep it for at least 3 years and even then I suspect the resale will be lousy. This car was overprices in the 1st place, should have been 36k max really IMO, so bargain it certainly is not IMO
very good post taffy and what we need alittle debate, i think ive always had abit of a bad attitude when it come to cars as they are my number 1 hobby and number one passion, so i very rarely look at what im going to loose, sadly cars will always loose money eventually unless its somethink like a 430 scuderia in its first 6 months, so i look at it like, where can i buy a seriously fast car,awesome looks, exclusivity, handling, power, unbelievable engine at a REASONABLE price, and to me the z4m is the best at its price bracket, i tried the cayman and imo it wasnt worth the extra, im being honest here also when i say mine doesnt rattle or creak and nothink has broken or fallen off, lol, the build quality of my car is what id expect and im very happy with it, bmw literally do everythink i ask of them and i can honestly say im very happy with my z4m and bmw atm.
The Z3MC didn't get a great write up when it first appeared either. I think these cars have a very small target audience, and the mainstream just don't get it. Now people talk about the Z3MC being a classic having 'Cult' status. I owned one too and loved the looks, engine and exclusivity. The Z4MC will follow suit IMO. Once they have dropped below £30k they will become more appreciated.
I do not consider myself a clairvoyant, nor do I wish to be perceived as one, but right from the moment the Z4 M Coupe concept was announced way back when, ( my doesn't time fly eh? ), it struck me that this was always going to become a more sought after beast after its demise and historically this may well be the case.
I loved the concept, the shape, the motor: everything about this car encapsulates what appeals to me at this time after having been an avid a petrol head as the next man on this forum but I had not even entertained the idea of owning one as my circumstances just did not seem like they might even THINK about going in that direction for a while yet at least, but in October last, things just seemed to go in the Z4 M Coupe direction and before I knew it, I had one in my garage!
I have still only covered 700 odd miles in the car as yet, have carried out some mods and have some more planned but it is the best entertainment I have had in a standard production car bar none and as I see it, it can only get better. I love the car but then I am going to say that aren't I?
I loved the concept, the shape, the motor: everything about this car encapsulates what appeals to me at this time after having been an avid a petrol head as the next man on this forum but I had not even entertained the idea of owning one as my circumstances just did not seem like they might even THINK about going in that direction for a while yet at least, but in October last, things just seemed to go in the Z4 M Coupe direction and before I knew it, I had one in my garage!
I have still only covered 700 odd miles in the car as yet, have carried out some mods and have some more planned but it is the best entertainment I have had in a standard production car bar none and as I see it, it can only get better. I love the car but then I am going to say that aren't I?
taffyracer said:
Beedub said:
good, ha ha glad someone sees my sentiment and for the price atm i think it one of todays great bragins, anyone not agree?? id love to here why not?
Everyone talks about it being a bargain, I did too when I bought it, but my advice would be to try and get a p/ex on one, I have been trying all week and the best I can get is 8k less than i paid for my car which only has an additional 7,000 miles on it in 6 months, it appears that no one wants to buy one back as there are so many that are very very cheap, so it's only a bargain if you are going to keep it for at least 3 years and even then I suspect the resale will be lousy. This car was overprices in the 1st place, should have been 36k max really IMO, so bargain it certainly is not IMOI agree with so much on this thread but one thing bothers me about the car.As many have observed it has all the qualities needed to make it a 'cult' classic.Why then did BMW feel the need a)to overprice it so heavily and b)to make too many?I absolutely expect to lose money on 'new' or current production cars and I was very,very close to buying the Z4M Coupe when it came out.My wife got pregnant so I decided yet another 2 seater was probably foolish so I held off and of course I'm pleased I did.Not because it's not a great car but because the ownership of it would have been soured a little by the immediate and heavy depreciation.I hate to focus on this negative aspect of the ownership proposition given how many more attractive aspects I could mention (looks/noise/chassis/engine etc) but it really p1sses me off when the greed of these bohemoth manufacturers ultimately undermines the appeal of what was always likely to be a bit of a niche or enthusiast product.Porsche do exactly the same.Just a bit less greed and slightly more focussed marketing and the Z4M coupe could have been a different story.Still,the good news is that poor residuals puts these cars within reach of far more people than would be the case if they held their value.Great car though,I'll definitely have one at some stage.
Couldn't agree more, it is a great car, should be better built for the money and BMW should protect the owners more, flooding the market with ex management cars has damaged the RV's of these cars very badly. I paid 37k for my car in July and it's worth between 28-31k depending on what car I change, some dealers didn't want to touch it as they commented that they'd been stung before with the Z4, so 7-9k depreciation in 6 months and 7,500 miles, absolutely awful and makes me so mad, I accept expensive cars devalue but and more expensive cars devalue more, but this is ridiculous
the thing is though, of course you think its a fantastic car - you wouldnt have parted with your money otherwise...
Its horses for courses - its exactly what you needed in a car - whereas someone else might want something more like an Elise, or boxster, or S-class mercedes...
Everyones opinions are biased by what they have and what they want from a car..
Its horses for courses - its exactly what you needed in a car - whereas someone else might want something more like an Elise, or boxster, or S-class mercedes...
Everyones opinions are biased by what they have and what they want from a car..
taffyracer said:
Couldn't agree more, it is a great car, should be better built for the money and BMW should protect the owners more, flooding the market with ex management cars has damaged the RV's of these cars very badly. I paid 37k for my car in July and it's worth between 28-31k depending on what car I change, some dealers didn't want to touch it as they commented that they'd been stung before with the Z4, so 7-9k depreciation in 6 months and 7,500 miles, absolutely awful and makes me so mad, I accept expensive cars devalue but and more expensive cars devalue more, but this is ridiculous
Stop moaning. Is a great car and the depreciation makes it the reserve of proper enthusiasts, not some hair-gelled Audi-driving wannabe.You should try buying a SL65...
£95k in 3 years. Now that is man sized depreciation, Dom...
But it lost 95k for a reason......it was PINK
I agree to some extent, it is a great car and it doesn't cost me the earth to run, but it simply shoulddn't be that way on a new niche car that is as good as this, BMW could have done something to help protect RV's and they simply haven't, the rate of depreciation (based on new book value and my taffy logic) is 20k in 9months, 40% in 9 months, at that rate your SL65 would have lost 60k of it's 95k in the 1st 9 months, a higher level of depreciation in fact I suspect on a car that cost 1/3 of SL's new price
Angus, any chance of a test drive of the M3
I agree to some extent, it is a great car and it doesn't cost me the earth to run, but it simply shoulddn't be that way on a new niche car that is as good as this, BMW could have done something to help protect RV's and they simply haven't, the rate of depreciation (based on new book value and my taffy logic) is 20k in 9months, 40% in 9 months, at that rate your SL65 would have lost 60k of it's 95k in the 1st 9 months, a higher level of depreciation in fact I suspect on a car that cost 1/3 of SL's new price
Angus, any chance of a test drive of the M3
Edited by taffyracer on Monday 31st December 13:16
taffyracer said:
But it lost 95k for a reason......it was PINK
I agree to some extent, it is a great car and it doesn't cost me the earth to run, but it simply shoulddn't be that way on a new niche car that is as good as this, BMW could have done something to help protect RV's and they simply haven't, the rate of depreciation (based on new book value and my taffy logic) is 20k in 9months, 40% in 9 months, at that rate your SL65 would have lost 60k of it's 95k in the 1st 9 months, a higher level of depreciation in fact I suspect on a car that cost 1/3 of SL's new price
Angus, any chance of a test drive of the M3
Fack off.I agree to some extent, it is a great car and it doesn't cost me the earth to run, but it simply shoulddn't be that way on a new niche car that is as good as this, BMW could have done something to help protect RV's and they simply haven't, the rate of depreciation (based on new book value and my taffy logic) is 20k in 9months, 40% in 9 months, at that rate your SL65 would have lost 60k of it's 95k in the 1st 9 months, a higher level of depreciation in fact I suspect on a car that cost 1/3 of SL's new price
Angus, any chance of a test drive of the M3
Edited by taffyracer on Monday 31st December 13:16
.....pink!
taffyracer said:
Couldn't agree more, it is a great car, should be better built for the money and BMW should protect the owners more, flooding the market with ex management cars has damaged the RV's of these cars very badly. I paid 37k for my car in July and it's worth between 28-31k depending on what car I change, some dealers didn't want to touch it as they commented that they'd been stung before with the Z4, so 7-9k depreciation in 6 months and 7,500 miles, absolutely awful and makes me so mad, I accept expensive cars devalue but and more expensive cars devalue more, but this is ridiculous
You thinking of selling then? I'll be in the market for a black Z4MC at some point during 2008.taffyracer said:
I paid 37k for my car in July and it's worth between 28-31k depending on what car I change, some dealers didn't want to touch it as they commented that they'd been stung before with the Z4, so 7-9k depreciation in 6 months and 7,500 miles, absolutely awful and makes me so mad, I accept expensive cars devalue but and more expensive cars devalue more, but this is ridiculous
If you want to get better value out of nice cars, you either have to buy them used when the initial shortage of a new model has passed, or if bought new keep them for a long time. I have done both; I cannot afford both to buy new cars and to change them quickly. If you must buy new and sell quickly, I should have thought 20% depreciation for the first 6 months was pretty much par for the course.taffyracer said:
... I Love my Z4M but but the ride and build quality is awful compared to a Cayman or an E46 M3 (same price bracket), the handling is just pure and the engine is in the best chassis to shine, it really is a great little car if you can overlook it's bad points.
I don't get the thing about the build quality being bad. Why is it?? Mine is fine...much better than my 986 Boxster that I came from...I think the plastics are good, the stalks etc all feel heavy and substantial, the steering wheel is lovely, the leather is fine. And the piano wood in mine looks great (when clean). What are the quality issues with yours Taffy?J.
Didn't buy new on the Z4, i prefer to get pleasure from my money rather than give it away and let someone else have a laugh! The main issues for me are not the cockpit, the dash area is perfectly ok, but the bulkhead, boot and doors sides, they shake rattle and roll terribly, the bulkhead is just awful and the plastics around the rear window are shockingly bad IMO
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