E39 M5 buying questions

E39 M5 buying questions

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Dr Chuff

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296 posts

290 months

Saturday 4th August 2007
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I am thinking of replacing my 156 V6 with an M5 or possibly a GTA (or possibly keeping it).
I looked at a 1999 V reg today, 67000 miles, 15000GBP inc 1 year dealer warranty (he said it covers all mechanical).
Firstly, should I be worried about it being an early example (Vanos, piston rings etc)?

Last service included new MAFs, new front discs, inspection II, and some other front suspension bits - 2100 GBP in all.

I drove it for about 30 mins on A and B roads, and was slightly underwhelmed, much to my surprise. Here's what I found.
The clutch bite was almost immediate (I stalled twice moving off), long throw, unsensitive accelerator (a la TVR), quieter engine note than expected. Brakes super, steering slightly worse than the Alfa in terms of feel and response.
I found the engine needed a hefty prod of pedal and then spun up rather reluncantly. Although the power was appreciable, with a huge wave of torque, it did not seem like twice the BHP of the Alfa. The experience was also quite isolated: heave down on pedal, wait, revs build, firm but gentle thrust in back, and, oh, look, the countryside is now moving past much faster. True, 80 mph came round quickly, but almost unnoticed.
Am I missing something? Is the car a lemon?

Driving off in the Alfa I thought I would be really disappointed, with its much softer set up, half power and front wheel drive. However, the steering was pin sharp, the engine spun-up like a turbine, sounded like a banshee and we reached 80 mph in an altogether more exciting manner.

What's wrong....do I need help?

Dr C

longbow

1,610 posts

241 months

Saturday 4th August 2007
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Dr Chuff said:
unsensitive accelerator (a la TVR)
Which TVR would you be refering to then?? One from the late 50's perhaps???

Edited by longbow on Saturday 4th August 17:47

Dr Chuff

Original Poster:

296 posts

290 months

Saturday 4th August 2007
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No, I meant long travel, 95, 97 Chimaera.

longbow

1,610 posts

241 months

Saturday 4th August 2007
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Ah... OK, I'll let you off with that one wink

rassi

2,475 posts

257 months

Saturday 4th August 2007
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Only piece of advice is to drive as many M5 as possible to get a feel for what makes a "good" one - I saw about 7 before finally finding mine, so knew what the benchmark was. The one you drove doesn't sound right. If you step out of a 156 2.5 V6 and into an M5, it should feel very significantly gruntier.

Dr Chuff

Original Poster:

296 posts

290 months

Sunday 5th August 2007
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The M5 certainly shifted, but it was a much more remote sensation. I couldn't leave the back windows open due to wind noise. Perhaps the Alfa's screaming V6 made it sound faster?
It is also 400kg lighter. But 0-60 mph 7.5s against 4.9 must be noticable?

Anyone willing to offer a passenger ride to show how it should feel?

Dr C

jp7152

161 posts

229 months

Monday 6th August 2007
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If you're around the Maidstone area you're welcome to a ride in mine. It doesn't feel massively quick but I think it's quite a healthy car so should give you an idea.

Boulder

167 posts

209 months

Monday 6th August 2007
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Dr Chuff said:
The M5 certainly shifted, but it was a much more remote sensation. I couldn't leave the back windows open due to wind noise. Perhaps the Alfa's screaming V6 made it sound faster?
It is also 400kg lighter. But 0-60 mph 7.5s against 4.9 must be noticable?

Anyone willing to offer a passenger ride to show how it should feel?

Dr C
You need more time with an M5!

The throttle response in sport is about as good as it gets and for record would out accelerate the Alfa using no more than 4000 rpm.
You can drive the M5 over its limits and the feedback and response get better.

They are also very fast,0-100 in 11.5 sec is big league.

drivin_me_nuts

17,949 posts

217 months

Tuesday 7th August 2007
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The thing about the M5 is it's a deceptive little bugger. Without killing the clutch it will not willingly do the 5 second 0 - 60 time and it does feel slow to accelerate at the lower rev range. however, on song and in its power band it absolutely flies and can be made to do stupid things. It's great on fast A roads but is's a bit too heavy and insensitive for the cross country stuff. It really is an all-rounder - just make VERY sure you can afford the bills if/when it goes wrong, beacuse it will, in both frustratingly niggly ways and bloody annoying major ways as well...

Trellis

583 posts

245 months

Wednesday 8th August 2007
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Dr Chuff said:
The M5 certainly shifted, but it was a much more remote sensation. I couldn't leave the back windows open due to wind noise. Perhaps the Alfa's screaming V6 made it sound faster?
It is also 400kg lighter. But 0-60 mph 7.5s against 4.9 must be noticable?

Anyone willing to offer a passenger ride to show how it should feel?

Dr C
I went from a TVR to an M5 and I certainly got the 'wow' factor when I drove the M5. I tested 4 and certainly could tell the difference between the good and the bad. Sounds like you probably drove one in need of attention. Running right, these things really do deliver!!

As for feeling remote - yes its a big 4 door lump of a car, but the harder you push them the better they get and the more feedback they give you. Its why they were so rated in their day - in the right hands they can be driven like a much lighter 'sportier' car, safely and quickly.

If you didn't get a buzz from it - try another. If you still don't then don't buy one!

dazren

22,612 posts

267 months

Wednesday 8th August 2007
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Dr Chuff said:
Anyone willing to offer a passenger ride to show how it should feel?

Dr C
Will you be at the PH BMW meet on 26th August?

DAZ

Dr Chuff

Original Poster:

296 posts

290 months

Wednesday 8th August 2007
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I will try to pop along to VW, thanks, Daz.

yankcrime

69 posts

206 months

Sunday 12th August 2007
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Echoing the above, take your time and go look for a few so that you can draw your own comparisons. I went looking at five before I found one that I was happy with, and that included test driving one from a main dealer which had a utterly destroyed clutch - much to the embarassment of the salesman.... "Wait till I speak to the head technician, heads are going to roll! etc."

M5 Muttley

54 posts

215 months

Monday 13th August 2007
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I parted with my money after test driving the first one.
Have only had since the begining of May and havnt stopped grinning
Had a few problems but the dealer sorted most of them and the others sorted with help from peeps on the forums.bow
So far has been great but who knows what is around the corner. yikes

Couldnt resist planting a pic of my beast cloud9

Cheers beer

Dave



Edited by M5 Muttley on Monday 13th August 09:54

Dr Chuff

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296 posts

290 months

Monday 13th August 2007
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Thanks to all so far for your comments.
I'm going to pick up a 2000 model tomorrow from James Paul in Sussex.
16k GBP for a 79k miler in mint condition, FBMWSH, and a 'good' history, including new clutch.

If I'm still impressed after the test drive, I'll part with the cash.

Cheers
Dr C

rassi

2,475 posts

257 months

Monday 13th August 2007
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Dr Chuff said:
Thanks to all so far for your comments.
I'm going to pick up a 2000 model tomorrow from James Paul in Sussex.
16k GBP for a 79k miler in mint condition, FBMWSH, and a 'good' history, including new clutch.

If I'm still impressed after the test drive, I'll part with the cash.

Cheers
Dr C
Facelift model? If not, the price is a bit steep though it could of course be a genuine minter. Good luck

Dr Chuff

Original Poster:

296 posts

290 months

Tuesday 14th August 2007
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Rassi, the car is spotless inside and out. It does however have a rectangular rear view mirror, not oval, which I guess is no concern. Gives a wider view.

I am still slightly uneasy about paying 16k for a car with 80k on the clock. The car I am selling only has 52k. But it's not an M5.

Dr C

bad company

19,384 posts

272 months

Tuesday 14th August 2007
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I had one of these and have to say that is was the best every day car I ever had.

Daggerpie

1,434 posts

207 months

Tuesday 14th August 2007
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I have a very nice carbon black 2001 model. Not standard by any means but a genuine FBMWS/H with nearly 76k on the clock. Not in a mad rush to sell but have a chap on my case after seeing it on display at the BMW Festival at Gaydon. PM me if int....amazing car!!

tdm34ds

7,394 posts

216 months

Thursday 16th August 2007
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As a sometime pilot of a very healthy e39 M5, I do agree that
it can feel a little flat at the low end of the rev range. I think this is BMW making it an easy drive around town.
Now if you look just ahead of the base of the gear lever a little button lurks "SPORT MODE" press this and it turns from a pussycat into a raging tiger!!!!!!
It just changes everything throttle response is sharpened up massively, steering weighting becomes more noticeable and more accurate and the car just shrinks around you if you havent used this you wont believe the difference. it feels like a two tonne 400bhp go cart and you will think you're in a different car

Regards Rob..