BMW M6 Competition Tuner Recommendation?
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Hi all,
Just put a deposit down on my new daily driver a 15 plate M6 Comp, I'm looking at decatting with a stage 2 tune to get it up to 700bhp.
Any recommendations? Litchfield seem the obvious choice due to their reputation, however they are 3 hours away from me (Harrogate).
Cheers ho!
JJ
Just put a deposit down on my new daily driver a 15 plate M6 Comp, I'm looking at decatting with a stage 2 tune to get it up to 700bhp.
Any recommendations? Litchfield seem the obvious choice due to their reputation, however they are 3 hours away from me (Harrogate).
Cheers ho!
JJ
JJbing said:
Hi all,
Just put a deposit down on my new daily driver a 15 plate M6 Comp, I'm looking at decatting with a stage 2 tune to get it up to 700bhp.
Any recommendations? Litchfield seem the obvious choice due to their reputation, however they are 3 hours away from me (Harrogate).
Cheers ho!
JJ
Good luck with the remap, that engine could go pop and you'll need a lot of wonger to put it right.Just put a deposit down on my new daily driver a 15 plate M6 Comp, I'm looking at decatting with a stage 2 tune to get it up to 700bhp.
Any recommendations? Litchfield seem the obvious choice due to their reputation, however they are 3 hours away from me (Harrogate).
Cheers ho!
JJ
Those engines don't seem to like remaps.
Surprised by the tales of woe, I know a few lads who have had mapped M5/M6 with no issues.. however the cars were a little newer than they are now and none of them ran the cars long term.
Had considered a move to an M6GC at some point but if the engines are that fragile then I’ll not be touching one with a barge pole.
Had considered a move to an M6GC at some point but if the engines are that fragile then I’ll not be touching one with a barge pole.
RS Grant said:
Surprised by the tales of woe, I know a few lads who have had mapped M5/M6 with no issues.. however the cars were a little newer than they are now and none of them ran the cars long term.
Had considered a move to an M6GC at some point but if the engines are that fragile then I’ll not be touching one with a barge pole.
I think they get pushed too hard, both in tuning and also when driven hard from cold. Like all M Engines, they are highly strung and technical bits of kit that need to be looked after, but because they are M cars they are often abused. Problems mostly show up later down the line, so first owner doesn't care etc.Had considered a move to an M6GC at some point but if the engines are that fragile then I’ll not be touching one with a barge pole.
I would suspect that buying a good one and then doing the preventative maintenance to offset early abuse (i.e. rod bearings etc), the risk of major failure is likely the same as any other car. You can also warranty then through BMW which removes the risk element from you.
Rang Mr Vanos and a couple of other people, have now requested my deposit back and will not be buying a car with the s63 engine! Just about everyone I spoke to recommended uprated rod bearings as pre emptive maintenance.
I’d pretty much ignored the posts thinking they were referring to the V10 m6.
Not worth having that doubt in the back of your mind, nor buying a £40k car and having to spend £3k on maintenance immediately.
F Type V8 it is then!
I’d pretty much ignored the posts thinking they were referring to the V10 m6.
Not worth having that doubt in the back of your mind, nor buying a £40k car and having to spend £3k on maintenance immediately.
F Type V8 it is then!
JJbing said:
Rang Mr Vanos and a couple of other people, have now requested my deposit back and will not be buying a car with the s63 engine! Just about everyone I spoke to recommended uprated rod bearings as pre emptive maintenance.
I’d pretty much ignored the posts thinking they were referring to the V10 m6.
Not worth having that doubt in the back of your mind, nor buying a £40k car and having to spend £3k on maintenance immediately.
F Type V8 it is then!
Glad you have done your research, it's unfortunately as with most cars down to the the first few owners who have stuck to bmws recommended oil change cycle and it causes starvation. This engine seems to love drinking oil if its been mistreated from new. I’d pretty much ignored the posts thinking they were referring to the V10 m6.
Not worth having that doubt in the back of your mind, nor buying a £40k car and having to spend £3k on maintenance immediately.
F Type V8 it is then!
F type V8 is a good shout, what about and xkr? Or E63 Amg
Best of luck with your search
The later the S63 engine, the better. If the service has been respected and the previous owner not mercilessly ragging it from cold, it is considered a reliable engine. It is far from the S54 or S85 level of bork. Whether 700+ bhp is needed or will accelerate wear and tear is of course debatable
rassi said:
The later the S63 engine, the better. If the service has been respected and the previous owner not mercilessly ragging it from cold, it is considered a reliable engine. It is far from the S54 or S85 level of bork. Whether 700+ bhp is needed or will accelerate wear and tear is of course debatable
To be honest, the S85 isn't as bad as the internet makes out if looked after, plenty of them on well over 100k miles and I know of a couple that are at 200k or over, still running sweetly. Once the rod bearings are done, regular oil changes are done with quality oils and they are warmed up before thrashing, they seem to be ok. Injectors can be a weakness, but this seems to be more failing fuel filters causing the injector to stick open and hydro locking them, so preventable.The problem with the s54, s65 and s85 was that not enough knowledge was about at the time to educate owners on how to treat the cars from cold.
Anyone buying new didn't care because they had warranty for a few years so the issue does lie there. Thick 10w60 oil on the old engines coupled with impatient owners lead to the bearing issue we are so aware of now.
The later engines s63 in this case primarily was down to oil starvation due to lack of servicing. A performance car or engine should not be recommended to only have oil changes every 18k. That again coupled with owners who don't care leads to all the issues the s63 is now known for. Following Mr vanos uk on Instagram he has rebuilt at least 4 s63 engines in the last few months.
Anyone buying new didn't care because they had warranty for a few years so the issue does lie there. Thick 10w60 oil on the old engines coupled with impatient owners lead to the bearing issue we are so aware of now.
The later engines s63 in this case primarily was down to oil starvation due to lack of servicing. A performance car or engine should not be recommended to only have oil changes every 18k. That again coupled with owners who don't care leads to all the issues the s63 is now known for. Following Mr vanos uk on Instagram he has rebuilt at least 4 s63 engines in the last few months.
MikeM6 said:
To be honest, the S85 isn't as bad as the internet makes out if looked after, plenty of them on well over 100k miles and I know of a couple that are at 200k or over, still running sweetly. Once the rod bearings are done, regular oil changes are done with quality oils and they are warmed up before thrashing, they seem to be ok. Injectors can be a weakness, but this seems to be more failing fuel filters causing the injector to stick open and hydro locking them, so preventable.
Exactly this. Could be 1000 epic v10s and 10 people complaining on the tinterwebs about it being a 5hit box...OP was going to decat and mod the car but wouldn't spend the money to sort the main issues they have first, even if it had any?!
Edited by VeeTenM on Tuesday 24th August 22:43
VeeTenM said:
Exactly this. Could be 1000 epic v10s and 10 people complaining on the tinterwebs about it being a 5hit box...
OP was going to decat and mod the car but wouldn't spend the money to sort the main issues they have first, even if it had any?!
I don't want to buy a car where it needs immediate ££££ spending on it, considering a decat and a tune would be the best part of £2k also. The engine specialists I spoke to recommended doing the work regardless of whether the car was showing signs, as they gave the impression it would be a matter when not if. OP was going to decat and mod the car but wouldn't spend the money to sort the main issues they have first, even if it had any?!
Edited by VeeTenM on Tuesday 24th August 22:43
Just like when I bought one of my previous DD's a Maserati GT several years ago, I bought a 4.7 to avoid the variator issues that plagued the early models, happy to spend extra rather than letting the car spend weeks in garages.
There is plenty of cool cars in a £40k budget for a DD that have none of these issues, it's not all bad! M4 comp is being considered also
TheAngryDog said:
The M4 has issues with the crank hub. It is recommended to have that issue preventatively done, especially if you're tuning. It's a £2k plus job.
Rod bearings are becoming an issue on the s55 as well.
I believe that is an early car issue on the M4. I wouldn't be tuning as they don't sound the best!Rod bearings are becoming an issue on the s55 as well.
JJbing said:
TheAngryDog said:
The M4 has issues with the crank hub. It is recommended to have that issue preventatively done, especially if you're tuning. It's a £2k plus job.
Rod bearings are becoming an issue on the s55 as well.
I believe that is an early car issue on the M4. I wouldn't be tuning as they don't sound the best!Rod bearings are becoming an issue on the s55 as well.
The s55 can be made to sound better by having one side of the exhaust system lengthened. This allows the pulses and sounds to balance out.
MikeM6 said:
Maybe you should buy a V10 M5, possible one that has already had an engine rebuild that is well documented on this very site. Think one might be hitting the market soon I hear....
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