E60 M5 vs F10 M5 thoughts
Discussion
Update:
I've just bought a house, which means a change of commute from mostly fun 60mph and 50mph zones, to boring 40mph and 30mph zones all the way from the new home to work. Approximately 12 miles each way.
Which has now got me considering my options:
Option 1: buy just one nice, new-ish, daily car that can do everything for 40k like an Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio, 2014-2016 F10 M5 Comp or F87 M2 Comp.
Option 2: buy a cheap reliable daily beater purely for the boring Monday-Friday work commute, like a Toyota Camry V6 etc. and then buy the best E60 M5 / E63 M6 V10 I can find for the weekend and 500-mile car club road trips... and chuck another 15k-20k at it for rod bearings, throttle actuators, race exhaust and Eventuri bits - getting it exactly how I want it to be.
cheers
I've just bought a house, which means a change of commute from mostly fun 60mph and 50mph zones, to boring 40mph and 30mph zones all the way from the new home to work. Approximately 12 miles each way.
Which has now got me considering my options:
Option 1: buy just one nice, new-ish, daily car that can do everything for 40k like an Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio, 2014-2016 F10 M5 Comp or F87 M2 Comp.
Option 2: buy a cheap reliable daily beater purely for the boring Monday-Friday work commute, like a Toyota Camry V6 etc. and then buy the best E60 M5 / E63 M6 V10 I can find for the weekend and 500-mile car club road trips... and chuck another 15k-20k at it for rod bearings, throttle actuators, race exhaust and Eventuri bits - getting it exactly how I want it to be.
cheers
Option 2.
The problem with Option 1 is that you normalise things very quickly, I use my Range Rover as a daily and it doesn't feel that special at all until I spend time in something else, then it's like a revelation getting back in!
Keep something like an M5 for best and you will appreciate it every time you use it.
ETA:
Another thing I have learned driving expensive cars is that if you have another daily to use, then when a failure does occur you can think about the best course of action and be unemotional about planning to repair it.
If you have the M5 as your only car it must get what it needs right now, even if the repair could have allowed some preventative maintenance to happen while it was in bits, but you didn't have the time or the money there and then.
When I have had a daily every decision I made about work on my 'best' car was more considered and more cost effective, to the point where a well chosen daily will pay for itself.
The problem with Option 1 is that you normalise things very quickly, I use my Range Rover as a daily and it doesn't feel that special at all until I spend time in something else, then it's like a revelation getting back in!
Keep something like an M5 for best and you will appreciate it every time you use it.
ETA:
Another thing I have learned driving expensive cars is that if you have another daily to use, then when a failure does occur you can think about the best course of action and be unemotional about planning to repair it.
If you have the M5 as your only car it must get what it needs right now, even if the repair could have allowed some preventative maintenance to happen while it was in bits, but you didn't have the time or the money there and then.
When I have had a daily every decision I made about work on my 'best' car was more considered and more cost effective, to the point where a well chosen daily will pay for itself.
Edited by Stick Legs on Sunday 16th June 12:27
Agree with above. I don't drive mine particularly often these days but when I did recently, the fan blower burned out so now I have no blown air inside the cabin (actually that's not completely true the rear works - I guess the 4-zone setup has two fans).
Not such an issue at the moment as it's a case of driving with sunroof / windows open slightly but I'm supposed to be taking it on a 4500 mile trip to Greece in 5 weeks time, so can organise getting it repaired meanwhile.
Any other complaints I can 'save up' for when its going into a dealer or independent whereas if it's a daily car I'd to rectify immediately.
161k miles now and things are starting to need doing more regularly.
Not such an issue at the moment as it's a case of driving with sunroof / windows open slightly but I'm supposed to be taking it on a 4500 mile trip to Greece in 5 weeks time, so can organise getting it repaired meanwhile.
Any other complaints I can 'save up' for when its going into a dealer or independent whereas if it's a daily car I'd to rectify immediately.
161k miles now and things are starting to need doing more regularly.
I was in a not too dissimilar position last Autumn when deciding what to replace my F10 530d with, an F10 M5 being at the top of the list for a long time. In the end i went with an F82 M4. I note you were considering the M5 and M2, perhaps the M3/4 offers a bit of both?
One thing not mentioned on this thread but that i read on others when making my own choice is that the F10 has monster power but can struggle to get it down unless you're already going over the national speed limit. I never got to try it but based on my experience with my M4 over the last 9 months or so I can see where they were coming from.
Another factor for me was looking at the annual cost of insurance and road tax (or what ever the correct term is). The M5 would have been considerably cheaper to insure, but then you were paying £800 a year in tax whereas the M4 is only £350 iirc. The two costs almost netted off but the M4 was a little bit more. I would imagine the M2 would have insurance and tax costs closer to the M4 than the M5.
Given the choice between the between the E60 and F10, personally I'd go for the F10. My opinion isn't as informed as those on here who have owned both, but i think the F10 looks better and the interior is a big step forwards from the E generation. Plus I love the way the big torque turbo engines drive. You've got really strong acceleration without masses of drama if that's what you're in the mood for. For example if the outside lane clear in front of you and you want to get past some traffic, you don't have to drop 4 gears and floor it to quickly go past, but the option's there if you want to. But what i really like is that you can put your foot down at 3,000rpm, the acceleration is already impressive and then it just gets more and more manic for the next 5,000rpm. Great fun with first time passengers who assume that you're going to need to change up and instead it just gets noisier and faster still...
End of the day I'm sure you'll love whichever you go for. M-series BMWs are just different versions and degrees of fantastic
One thing not mentioned on this thread but that i read on others when making my own choice is that the F10 has monster power but can struggle to get it down unless you're already going over the national speed limit. I never got to try it but based on my experience with my M4 over the last 9 months or so I can see where they were coming from.
Another factor for me was looking at the annual cost of insurance and road tax (or what ever the correct term is). The M5 would have been considerably cheaper to insure, but then you were paying £800 a year in tax whereas the M4 is only £350 iirc. The two costs almost netted off but the M4 was a little bit more. I would imagine the M2 would have insurance and tax costs closer to the M4 than the M5.
Given the choice between the between the E60 and F10, personally I'd go for the F10. My opinion isn't as informed as those on here who have owned both, but i think the F10 looks better and the interior is a big step forwards from the E generation. Plus I love the way the big torque turbo engines drive. You've got really strong acceleration without masses of drama if that's what you're in the mood for. For example if the outside lane clear in front of you and you want to get past some traffic, you don't have to drop 4 gears and floor it to quickly go past, but the option's there if you want to. But what i really like is that you can put your foot down at 3,000rpm, the acceleration is already impressive and then it just gets more and more manic for the next 5,000rpm. Great fun with first time passengers who assume that you're going to need to change up and instead it just gets noisier and faster still...
End of the day I'm sure you'll love whichever you go for. M-series BMWs are just different versions and degrees of fantastic
Snubs said:
I was in a not too dissimilar position last Autumn when deciding what to replace my F10 530d with, an F10 M5 being at the top of the list for a long time. In the end i went with an F82 M4. I note you were considering the M5 and M2, perhaps the M3/4 offers a bit of both?
One thing not mentioned on this thread but that i read on others when making my own choice is that the F10 has monster power but can struggle to get it down unless you're already going over the national speed limit. I never got to try it but based on my experience with my M4 over the last 9 months or so I can see where they were coming from.
Another factor for me was looking at the annual cost of insurance and road tax (or what ever the correct term is). The M5 would have been considerably cheaper to insure, but then you were paying £800 a year in tax whereas the M4 is only £350 iirc. The two costs almost netted off but the M4 was a little bit more. I would imagine the M2 would have insurance and tax costs closer to the M4 than the M5.
Given the choice between the between the E60 and F10, personally I'd go for the F10. My opinion isn't as informed as those on here who have owned both, but i think the F10 looks better and the interior is a big step forwards from the E generation. Plus I love the way the big torque turbo engines drive. You've got really strong acceleration without masses of drama if that's what you're in the mood for. For example if the outside lane clear in front of you and you want to get past some traffic, you don't have to drop 4 gears and floor it to quickly go past, but the option's there if you want to. But what i really like is that you can put your foot down at 3,000rpm, the acceleration is already impressive and then it just gets more and more manic for the next 5,000rpm. Great fun with first time passengers who assume that you're going to need to change up and instead it just gets noisier and faster still...
End of the day I'm sure you'll love whichever you go for. M-series BMWs are just different versions and degrees of fantastic
I've not driven an F10 M5, but I have driven an F13 M6. The engine is very potent but, honestly, I found it dull. For a weekend or special car, I'd prefer the E60 any day. One thing not mentioned on this thread but that i read on others when making my own choice is that the F10 has monster power but can struggle to get it down unless you're already going over the national speed limit. I never got to try it but based on my experience with my M4 over the last 9 months or so I can see where they were coming from.
Another factor for me was looking at the annual cost of insurance and road tax (or what ever the correct term is). The M5 would have been considerably cheaper to insure, but then you were paying £800 a year in tax whereas the M4 is only £350 iirc. The two costs almost netted off but the M4 was a little bit more. I would imagine the M2 would have insurance and tax costs closer to the M4 than the M5.
Given the choice between the between the E60 and F10, personally I'd go for the F10. My opinion isn't as informed as those on here who have owned both, but i think the F10 looks better and the interior is a big step forwards from the E generation. Plus I love the way the big torque turbo engines drive. You've got really strong acceleration without masses of drama if that's what you're in the mood for. For example if the outside lane clear in front of you and you want to get past some traffic, you don't have to drop 4 gears and floor it to quickly go past, but the option's there if you want to. But what i really like is that you can put your foot down at 3,000rpm, the acceleration is already impressive and then it just gets more and more manic for the next 5,000rpm. Great fun with first time passengers who assume that you're going to need to change up and instead it just gets noisier and faster still...
End of the day I'm sure you'll love whichever you go for. M-series BMWs are just different versions and degrees of fantastic
E90_M3Ross said:
I've not driven an F10 M5, but I have driven an F13 M6. The engine is very potent but, honestly, I found it dull. For a weekend or special car, I'd prefer the E60 any day.
I've driven a couple and agree; I actually preferred my F10 530d at normal speeds. The M5 didn't sound, steer nor feel special and the opportunities to exploit the power were very few and far between, and the running costs were very high for relatively little emotional return.I love the way they look (a bit menacing) but I actually thought the E63 5.5T had more drama about it when just pootling around. Plus they are in a different league in terms of reliability.
KPB1973 said:
E90_M3Ross said:
I've not driven an F10 M5, but I have driven an F13 M6. The engine is very potent but, honestly, I found it dull. For a weekend or special car, I'd prefer the E60 any day.
I've driven a couple and agree; I actually preferred my F10 530d at normal speeds. The M5 didn't sound, steer nor feel special and the opportunities to exploit the power were very few and far between, and the running costs were very high for relatively little emotional return.I love the way they look (a bit menacing) but I actually thought the E63 5.5T had more drama about it when just pootling around. Plus they are in a different league in terms of reliability.
E90_M3Ross said:
KPB1973 said:
E90_M3Ross said:
I've not driven an F10 M5, but I have driven an F13 M6. The engine is very potent but, honestly, I found it dull. For a weekend or special car, I'd prefer the E60 any day.
I've driven a couple and agree; I actually preferred my F10 530d at normal speeds. The M5 didn't sound, steer nor feel special and the opportunities to exploit the power were very few and far between, and the running costs were very high for relatively little emotional return.I love the way they look (a bit menacing) but I actually thought the E63 5.5T had more drama about it when just pootling around. Plus they are in a different league in terms of reliability.
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