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I work for a large global firm who have just offered me a job abroad in well established office , non-EU and have been in that country for over 30 years.
However, I've been told I have to resign here in the UK and accept a new contract in that country.
This means that I will lose out on my current bonus and also my continual service with the company as such.
Does this seem right? I know that my contract will change to meet local laws etc, but having to resign?
However, I've been told I have to resign here in the UK and accept a new contract in that country.
This means that I will lose out on my current bonus and also my continual service with the company as such.
Does this seem right? I know that my contract will change to meet local laws etc, but having to resign?
Edited by GingerChops on Tuesday 17th November 17:12
I've worked overseas for several large groups never had to resign always been on secondment. If you go ahead on these terms. Make sure you sign the new contract in the UK, if you are British and sign in the UK then you have a chance of getting the UK courts involved if unfairlly dismissed, try to get the new contract governed by UK law.
I once worked in a oveseas company that went under,they tried not to pay to repatriate me and the wife back to the UK, but I signed the Contract in the UK and the visa requirments then required them to repatriate me, because they p*issed me off, I crated up my 20 ft sail boat and had that shipped back as well, and they paid the lot.
I once worked in a oveseas company that went under,they tried not to pay to repatriate me and the wife back to the UK, but I signed the Contract in the UK and the visa requirments then required them to repatriate me, because they p*issed me off, I crated up my 20 ft sail boat and had that shipped back as well, and they paid the lot.
Would agree with what Berw is saying too... sounds a little odd.
Certainly having to sign a new contract where certain benefits may change due to local circumstances etc (e.g. you are unlikely to get a company car here in SInga) but not actually resign and be re-employed.
Even if it is a different corporate entity i would assume a transfer would be done.
To resign and be re-employed could also cause complications for work permits in some countries as an inter company transfer is normally a done deal, but a "new hire" means that youa re potentially stealing a job from a local (in imigration eyes)
If you don't mind me asking, what industry sector and to which country / region. Sounds like the HR department that is dealing with your case may be a bit new to this sort of thing and has been given wrong information.
Certainly having to sign a new contract where certain benefits may change due to local circumstances etc (e.g. you are unlikely to get a company car here in SInga) but not actually resign and be re-employed.
Even if it is a different corporate entity i would assume a transfer would be done.
To resign and be re-employed could also cause complications for work permits in some countries as an inter company transfer is normally a done deal, but a "new hire" means that youa re potentially stealing a job from a local (in imigration eyes)
If you don't mind me asking, what industry sector and to which country / region. Sounds like the HR department that is dealing with your case may be a bit new to this sort of thing and has been given wrong information.
Absolutely 1000% NO WAY.
They're trying to f
k you.At the moment you have lots of service and would get a great payoff if they made you redundant. You also have employment rights.
What happens if you resign, then three months later they get rid of you?
Run.
Edited by Soovy on Wednesday 18th November 10:31
Just to add, I will sign the contract whilst I'm here in the UK. Berw, I am British.
I did previously apply for voluntary redundancy, but it was declined as they wanted to keep my skills in the company.
Obviously I'm seeking advice before anything happends.
XJS John, funny you mention it, but it is Singapore and I work in the IT industry.
I did previously apply for voluntary redundancy, but it was declined as they wanted to keep my skills in the company.
Obviously I'm seeking advice before anything happends.
XJS John, funny you mention it, but it is Singapore and I work in the IT industry.
Textbook tactics this.
They're getting rid of people. HR pull together a list and how much each one will cost to get rid of. They've looked at your "number" and though "f
k me that's a bundle of cash, how can we get rid of him for nothing?""I know, let's get the soppy f
ker to resign, so he loses all his rights, and we'll send him to Singapore for a few weeks, then give him the boot"."Cool".
Soovy said:
Textbook tactics this.
They're getting rid of people. HR pull together a list and how much each one will cost to get rid of. They've looked at your "number" and though "fk me that's a bundle of cash, how can we get rid of him for nothing?"
"I know, let's get the soppy fker to resign, so he loses all his rights, and we'll send him to Singapore for a few weeks, then give him the boot".
"Cool".
Hmmm, I did think that, but the relocation package is more than my redundancy payout would be now, including the shipment of all my stuff. The salary they are offering is more than I am on now as well, (local costs etc taken into account of course).They're getting rid of people. HR pull together a list and how much each one will cost to get rid of. They've looked at your "number" and though "f
k me that's a bundle of cash, how can we get rid of him for nothing?""I know, let's get the soppy f
ker to resign, so he loses all his rights, and we'll send him to Singapore for a few weeks, then give him the boot"."Cool".
I'm not agreeing nor resigning till I've seen a contract and confirmed a few things with HR.
But I am wary, and not sure why they are doing it this way...
Edited by GingerChops on Thursday 19th November 10:03
Soovy said:
Textbook tactics this.
They're getting rid of people. HR pull together a list and how much each one will cost to get rid of. They've looked at your "number" and though "fk me that's a bundle of cash, how can we get rid of him for nothing?"
"I know, let's get the soppy fker to resign, so he loses all his rights, and we'll send him to Singapore for a few weeks, then give him the boot".
"Cool".
Hmmm, I did think that, but the relocation package is more than my redundancy payout would be now, including the shipment of all my stuff. The salary they are offering is more than I am on now as well, (local costs etc taken into account of course).They're getting rid of people. HR pull together a list and how much each one will cost to get rid of. They've looked at your "number" and though "f
k me that's a bundle of cash, how can we get rid of him for nothing?""I know, let's get the soppy f
ker to resign, so he loses all his rights, and we'll send him to Singapore for a few weeks, then give him the boot"."Cool".
I'm not agreeing nor resigning till I've seen a contract and confirmed a few things with HR.
But I am wary, and not sure why they are doing it this way...
Edited by GingerChops on Thursday 19th November 10:09
Having looked in the internal HR intranet website, this is what is said about accepting a job in another country:-
"People moving from one country to any other country are required to formally resign from their existing employing entity to take up employment with the new entity. They should NOT use the 'self service' resignation process until HR Services have been contacted and advice on how to proceed provided from them. Send an e-mail to: ******HR@HR.*****.com with the date of transfer and country moving from and to; this will ensure continuity of e-mail address, use of same employee number and systems access (if appropriate)"
Hmmmm......
"People moving from one country to any other country are required to formally resign from their existing employing entity to take up employment with the new entity. They should NOT use the 'self service' resignation process until HR Services have been contacted and advice on how to proceed provided from them. Send an e-mail to: ******HR@HR.*****.com with the date of transfer and country moving from and to; this will ensure continuity of e-mail address, use of same employee number and systems access (if appropriate)"
Hmmmm......
Edited by GingerChops on Wednesday 18th November 11:13
Get something drawn up in writing from them that whilst you have resigned and been re-employed under the foreign company, you will still have rights and entitlements under UK law as you would if you stayed.
If they really want you to go, and aren't trying to stiff you, they should oblige.
If they really want you to go, and aren't trying to stiff you, they should oblige.
GingerChops said:
Just to add, I've found out that our office in Singapore is classed as a different company! Even though it still sits under the same group.
It has been explained to me that it would be like excepting a new job with another company.
You should ask HR what happens if you did and you were made redundant in 1 years time. How long would your length of service be ?It has been explained to me that it would be like excepting a new job with another company.
If only 1 year, then ask them are they sure that is legal ?
It doesn't sound like it is in your interests to take this position unless all your benefits continue.
Vee said:
GingerChops said:
Just to add, I've found out that our office in Singapore is classed as a different company! Even though it still sits under the same group.
It has been explained to me that it would be like excepting a new job with another company.
You should ask HR what happens if you did and you were made redundant in 1 years time. How long would your length of service be ?It has been explained to me that it would be like excepting a new job with another company.
If only 1 year, then ask them are they sure that is legal ?
It doesn't sound like it is in your interests to take this position unless all your benefits continue.
It's just part of negotiation in my view, you need to request that your length of service is copied over into the new company to protect your rights. They will probably be able to fire you very easily within the first year and redundancy payments will of course be reduced, so they need to appreciate that and match your current position.
Are they actually asking you to move or did you request it?
Are they actually asking you to move or did you request it?
JRM said:
It's just part of negotiation in my view, you need to request that your length of service is copied over into the new company to protect your rights. They will probably be able to fire you very easily within the first year and redundancy payments will of course be reduced, so they need to appreciate that and match your current position.
Are they actually asking you to move or did you request it?
That I will try, but unsure whether it will happen.Are they actually asking you to move or did you request it?
I was asked if I was interested in a move.
GingerChops said:
XJS John, funny you mention it, but it is Singapore and I work in the IT industry.
It is not right then. Your EP will be much easier to apply for as an inter-company transfer, also if they do decide to lay you off before the term of employment they will have to pay repatriation costs, if you are a "new hire" then they can get around this.to someone else up there with the "expat packages" these dont exist unless you ar every senior these days. The norm these days is a full cash ammount that you have to cover accomodation, transport and schooling from. they will however usually provide trips home, relocaation in and out costs and the cost of serviced appartments for one or two months until you are settled.
ETA i also work in IT here so feel free to PM me, i can probably find some other people who work for your company out here and find out how they were relocated and what the comnpany is like on the terms etc.
Edited by XJSJohn on Wednesday 18th November 22:59
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