Waiting for application feedback (or not)
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Just after other's opinions. In this new-fangled world of uploading your CV to a job spec on a job site, with no ability to add cover letter / why you would be a good fit etc, and following the automated "thanks for your submission" email from a generic address, how long would you wait to chase it up or give it up?
As an example, apply Monday. Chase up the generic email address after a couple of days? Do some digging (LinkedIn or whatever) and get in touch directly if you find someone likely? Wait a week (or more)?
As an example, apply Monday. Chase up the generic email address after a couple of days? Do some digging (LinkedIn or whatever) and get in touch directly if you find someone likely? Wait a week (or more)?
There are two approaches for finding jobs:
1. Throw enough s
t at the wall until some of it sticks, this includes lots of apps, lots of working contacts, lots of calling and chasing and fking about being annoying. lots of interviews, lots of rejections and lots of starting again.
2. Doing the first one once you realise unless someone you know offers you something, step one is the way to go!
1. Throw enough s
t at the wall until some of it sticks, this includes lots of apps, lots of working contacts, lots of calling and chasing and fking about being annoying. lots of interviews, lots of rejections and lots of starting again.2. Doing the first one once you realise unless someone you know offers you something, step one is the way to go!
Essayer and Dundarach are both correct.
Doofus makes a very interesting suggestion.
Your application has gone into a black hole. Unless the job advert had contact details you have no way of chasing up. Your CV might have landed in someone's inbox or it might have been filtered out automatically on some spurious grounds.
It might be the perfect job for you and you the perfect candidate but it seems to count for nothing in today's job market. Then employers moan that there's no qualified candidates and nobody wants to work.
Call me cynical but put it behind you and apply for something else. If you get a call back about this job then its a bonus otherwise always be thinking about the next application.
Doofus makes a very interesting suggestion.
Your application has gone into a black hole. Unless the job advert had contact details you have no way of chasing up. Your CV might have landed in someone's inbox or it might have been filtered out automatically on some spurious grounds.
It might be the perfect job for you and you the perfect candidate but it seems to count for nothing in today's job market. Then employers moan that there's no qualified candidates and nobody wants to work.
Call me cynical but put it behind you and apply for something else. If you get a call back about this job then its a bonus otherwise always be thinking about the next application.
It's in a black hole.
My firm of 50,000 + employees has a daft recruitment portal.
At a point when I had responsibility for recruiting if a new CV was posted I would need to login to the portal and check through a lot of rubbish.
I didn't receive an email to say a CV had been uploaded and with the main job to do I'd probably check it once every 2 weeks.
My firm of 50,000 + employees has a daft recruitment portal.
At a point when I had responsibility for recruiting if a new CV was posted I would need to login to the portal and check through a lot of rubbish.
I didn't receive an email to say a CV had been uploaded and with the main job to do I'd probably check it once every 2 weeks.
bigandclever said:
…new-fangled world of uploading your CV to a job spec on a job site, with no ability to add cover letter / why you would be a good fit etc…
I’d agree with others that if you haven’t heard back then there’s usually no advantage to chasing up, unless you have any intel to support a delay, such as knowing that the hiring manager is sick.To the point about cover letters. These are usually not required by the more enlightened hiring managers as, as alluded to above, if your CV is well constructed, nothing further should be required. Your competency and fit for the role and organisation should come across loud and clear on your CV.
Good luck going forwards.
I'm just thinking about reconsidering my stance to job hunting 
Had been reading far too much of what I consider to be utter bks on LinkedIn, though maybe it's not. But frankly, this one-click application (can't imagine why you get 1000 CVs in 10 minutes ) followed by 'if you ever hear from us again we might be interested' is going to do my nut.
Had been reading far too much of what I consider to be utter b
ks on LinkedIn, though maybe it's not. But frankly, this one-click application (can't imagine why you get 1000 CVs in 10 minutes ) followed by 'if you ever hear from us again we might be interested' is going to do my nut.Some say it is a skill in itself looking for a new role. It can of course be industry dependent, as not all industries approach things the same. Equally, not all organisations in the same industry approach things exactly the same either. Whilst this may be obvious, it does highlight the challenges faced by prospective hires.
If having tried one approach, maybe switch tac to another more targeted approach, ie. directly to those organisations that you think you’d like to be a part of. A prospective application for the sort of role you’d be interested in might be worth a try?
If having tried one approach, maybe switch tac to another more targeted approach, ie. directly to those organisations that you think you’d like to be a part of. A prospective application for the sort of role you’d be interested in might be worth a try?
I had a bit of a “go” before Christmas.
Really sharpened up my CV after some tips from a recruiter. Applied for approx 20 jobs, some a bit optimistic but most for my current job title. A mix of LinkedIn 1 click applies and some where you have to use the company’s portal. Out of 20 I got 3 no thanks from an automated system and that was it.
Really sharpened up my CV after some tips from a recruiter. Applied for approx 20 jobs, some a bit optimistic but most for my current job title. A mix of LinkedIn 1 click applies and some where you have to use the company’s portal. Out of 20 I got 3 no thanks from an automated system and that was it.
From my own experience, if you have a chance you will be contacted within 48 hours of submitting. It was extremely rare to have a positive response after that.
Once passed 48 hours you are usually waiting for the position to be filled before someone goes in the system and flushes out all the other applicants. This can take months to happen.
If you follow LinkedIn poster advice you will end up applying for 300+ jobs. I used ChatGPT to help modify my c.v. for every application. I did the flooding of application thing but ultimately, I always get a job through connections.
Good luck with your hunt.
Once passed 48 hours you are usually waiting for the position to be filled before someone goes in the system and flushes out all the other applicants. This can take months to happen.
If you follow LinkedIn poster advice you will end up applying for 300+ jobs. I used ChatGPT to help modify my c.v. for every application. I did the flooding of application thing but ultimately, I always get a job through connections.
Good luck with your hunt.
Still no answer to the 'closing date' question. If an ad has a closing date then clearly you won't hear anything until the closing date has passed, and even then, it would be a few weeks later once the sifting has been done to notify successful/unsuccessful.
If an ad doesn't have a closing date then the position may not exist (yet) and the employer is just fishing to see what's out there.
If you're just applying speculatively then expect a 99% no response rate.
If an ad doesn't have a closing date then the position may not exist (yet) and the employer is just fishing to see what's out there.
If you're just applying speculatively then expect a 99% no response rate.
I suspect most job specs are so filtered and run through an AI you literally need to write the CV as per the job spec
If it says "must have Java team lead experience" don't put "managing a team of Java developers" explicitly write "Java team lead"
If you have a relationship with the recruiter, that's great - but for the majority of jobs where you don't, you just have to be one of the first through the door with something the recruiter will flip onto the hiring manager
It's awful at the moment - just keep applying and hope!
If it says "must have Java team lead experience" don't put "managing a team of Java developers" explicitly write "Java team lead"
If you have a relationship with the recruiter, that's great - but for the majority of jobs where you don't, you just have to be one of the first through the door with something the recruiter will flip onto the hiring manager
It's awful at the moment - just keep applying and hope!
I will float a different view. Choosing date carefully, i.e. immediately after the closing date, then chasing may well be viewed as being actually interested in the job. Speak to the recruiter around the role, be knowledgeable about the company if you can. If you do not follow up you are showing a lack of interest. Persist until you speak to someone.
I am applying for jobs again and in my experience a recruiter will call you very quickly if your CV matches the role. Usually within 24 hours. If you don't hear anything in that time then it just wasn't meant to be for any number of reasons.
Being pragmatic about it, a recruiter will be managing quite a few different open positions and have a handful of suitable candidates for each in various stages of the process. As well as hunting for their next listing. With the best will in the world they don’t have time to give feedback to all the unsuitable applicants, so you’ll never know why.
So yeah, Quick Apply to everything that your CV matches and something will stick. Final note, open job roles are down significantly from this time last year.
Being pragmatic about it, a recruiter will be managing quite a few different open positions and have a handful of suitable candidates for each in various stages of the process. As well as hunting for their next listing. With the best will in the world they don’t have time to give feedback to all the unsuitable applicants, so you’ll never know why.
So yeah, Quick Apply to everything that your CV matches and something will stick. Final note, open job roles are down significantly from this time last year.
essayer said:
I suspect most job specs are so filtered and run through an AI you literally need to write the CV as per the job spec
If it says "must have Java team lead experience" don't put "managing a team of Java developers" explicitly write "Java team lead"
If you have a relationship with the recruiter, that's great - but for the majority of jobs where you don't, you just have to be one of the first through the door with something the recruiter will flip onto the hiring manager
It's awful at the moment - just keep applying and hope!
Popular misconception. Very few firms are using AI at that level. I have been in Recruitment in one way or another all my working life, I currently work in a global FMCG.If it says "must have Java team lead experience" don't put "managing a team of Java developers" explicitly write "Java team lead"
If you have a relationship with the recruiter, that's great - but for the majority of jobs where you don't, you just have to be one of the first through the door with something the recruiter will flip onto the hiring manager
It's awful at the moment - just keep applying and hope!
All applications are read by eyeball. We might ask qualifying questions (usually around right to work, or language skills) and you may get an auto reject if you don't qualify. After that its managed by humans.
I appreciate there is a lot of frustration with online applications, and many many firms can do a lot better. Frequently it is two or more months before you get a very standard and depressing letter of regret.
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