Any laws on travel wthout break or overnight stay
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I'm new in the job and still on probation and we have a client who is 210 miles away and it takes 4h 15m without any breaks to go there on a good day (not factoring in traffic delays)
My employer wants some of us to go and meet the client and return the same day without any accommodation as they don't want to mess up the project budget, but I feel that type of driving without an overnight stay is not safe as your tired and not sharp enough
Is there any laws which prevent this type of things happening?
I don't believe there's a law applicable to driving a car when the driving is not a core part of your duties.
I would suggest getting a copy of your company driving policy.
And if there are multiple people going suggest a hire car and you put multiple people on the hire car insurance and split the drive.
I would suggest getting a copy of your company driving policy.
And if there are multiple people going suggest a hire car and you put multiple people on the hire car insurance and split the drive.
The thing is you will stop for a break.
2 hours in and you'll likely need a toilet / refreshment stop so this will break up the journey.
I do similar sometimes I do there and back in a day, leave at 6am, client visit 11-1, lunch, home for 7pm. It's a long day but sometimes preferable to the night out.
On Monday I drove 250 miles, hotel for the night, few beers, good meal and 2 site visits today followed by the 5hr drive home, coffee and a piss halfway back.
Tell the gaffer to hire a car or provide a fleet car and split the driving between you. A hotel plus food for a few of you soon adds up.
2 hours in and you'll likely need a toilet / refreshment stop so this will break up the journey.
I do similar sometimes I do there and back in a day, leave at 6am, client visit 11-1, lunch, home for 7pm. It's a long day but sometimes preferable to the night out.
On Monday I drove 250 miles, hotel for the night, few beers, good meal and 2 site visits today followed by the 5hr drive home, coffee and a piss halfway back.
Tell the gaffer to hire a car or provide a fleet car and split the driving between you. A hotel plus food for a few of you soon adds up.
How long is the meeting and just how small is the budget that a one night Premier Inn stay will harm it ?!
I had to frequently fly to the US and then go straight into meetings.
I also see you mentioned probation so I guess you might also need to show willing.
As said already break up the initial journey.
I had to frequently fly to the US and then go straight into meetings.
I also see you mentioned probation so I guess you might also need to show willing.
As said already break up the initial journey.
There's a couple of aspects of the working time regulations that may come into effect I believe (or are worth considering). Techincally, travelling outside your normal working hours doesn't count as "work", so check when you're expected to be setting off/back. The big one though is you're entitled to an 11 hour uninterrupted rest period (not working) in a 24 hour period of time. So, if you're spending let's say 10 hours just travelling, you'll only be able to spend 3 hours working at your destination.
On a basic level, it sounds extremely tight to be asking you to do that in a day and not say be able to drive up the night before, stay in a nearby hotel and then attend and drive back the next day. You'll be knackered the day after!
On a basic level, it sounds extremely tight to be asking you to do that in a day and not say be able to drive up the night before, stay in a nearby hotel and then attend and drive back the next day. You'll be knackered the day after!
MOMACC said:
The thing is you will stop for a break.
2 hours in and you'll likely need a toilet / refreshment stop so this will break up the journey.
I do similar sometimes I do there and back in a day, leave at 6am, client visit 11-1, lunch, home for 7pm. It's a long day but sometimes preferable to the night out.
On Monday I drove 250 miles, hotel for the night, few beers, good meal and 2 site visits today followed by the 5hr drive home, coffee and a piss halfway back.
Tell the gaffer to hire a car or provide a fleet car and split the driving between you. A hotel plus food for a few of you soon adds up.
With the exception of trying to tell the gaffer something whilst on probation: this!2 hours in and you'll likely need a toilet / refreshment stop so this will break up the journey.
I do similar sometimes I do there and back in a day, leave at 6am, client visit 11-1, lunch, home for 7pm. It's a long day but sometimes preferable to the night out.
On Monday I drove 250 miles, hotel for the night, few beers, good meal and 2 site visits today followed by the 5hr drive home, coffee and a piss halfway back.
Tell the gaffer to hire a car or provide a fleet car and split the driving between you. A hotel plus food for a few of you soon adds up.
A decent chunk of my career was like that….customers all over the Country, sometimes (quite often in the early days) a long day had to happen.
Do people these days expect to work no more than 7-8hours occasionally in jobs that involve meeting customers?
Sure, if it was every week I might have baulked, and did on occasion suggest I might want a stopover - always agreed.
Time4another said:
Not impossible or illeagal assuming the meeting is under 4hrs. Just make sure you take enough breaks and enough hours between finishing a shift and starting the next.
Have a read at the working time directive.
Regularly drive 4hrs to a customer then do an 8hr shift.
You "regularly" drive 4 hrs for an 8hr shift?Have a read at the working time directive.
Regularly drive 4hrs to a customer then do an 8hr shift.
So, for example, leaving the house at 0500, getting to the customer at 0900, leaving at 1700 and arriving home at 2100?
That's mental. I hope you're paid by the hour. Handsomely.
As noted already you need to familiarise yourself with the company travel policy, as the 'project' direction may not be acting in line with company policy. Given that the travel alone is likely to take longer than a standard working shift then I would expect any decent sized company to have a policy to deal with such a scenario. If I were travelling solo in this situation (I frequently do this to attend my company site) then I would look at trains as an alternative, but if there are multiple attendees then sharing a car is likely to be considerably cheaper for the project budget, so hire hire with multiple authorised drivers seems the best option.
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