Amazon tells staff to get back to office five days a week

[lancslad58]

I wonder how many more will follow on and those people who said they'd never go back to 5 days in the office, will they resign or just accept it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czj99ln72k9o

[DanL]

lancslad58 said:

I wonder how many more will follow on and those people who said they'd never go back to 5 days in the office, will they resign or just accept it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czj99ln72k9o

They’ll go back for 5 days while searching for another job, I’d have thought…

[geeks]

• some staff

• some locations
• *with some job cuts
• ** while being investigated for firing someone without cause
• ***not the UK team who all get a follow up email saying "No not you"
• ****where locations allow, some offices have more staff aligned than you can fit in the office (one example I know of is around 3 x what can actually fit)
• *****this deffo isn't Jassy desperately trying to cling to power while they suffer brain drain, toxic atmosphere and culture while struggling to train and recruit talent

[stu67]

Back door way of making redundancies nowdays, they know 5% just won't be able to do it for various reasons and another 10-15% will start looking for other jobs = gradual 20% reduction in staff without expensive redundancy packages and headlines

[asfault]

Everyone on PH claims they are more productive at wfh everyone I know personally had been saying how unproductive it is.
I guess it's a case of its everyone else not me.

[ChocolateFrog]

I'd have thought it would be the people that they don't want to leave that are first out of the door.

[Countdown]

asfault said:

Everyone on PH claims they are more productive at wfh everyone I know personally had been saying how unproductive it is.
I guess it's a case of its everyone else not me.

If everyone was as productive as they say they are then companies would be making far more money, and if they were making more money they wouldn’t care where people were working from.

[skinnyman]

asfault said:

Everyone on PH claims they are more productive at wfh everyone I know personally had been saying how unproductive it is.
I guess it's a case of its everyone else not me.

IF....IF.... I've got a decent project on then I will genuinely get alot more done at home than I will in the office. If I haven't, then it's more a day of catching up on housework and performing personal admit jobs, like sorting insurance, searching for a product I'm after etc, with a splash of work on the side.

[dave_s13]

Our work (NHS) downsized the office so couldn't accommodate everyone if they all came back.

I do pretty much 50/50 now, feels totally normal now.

[Wheel Turned Out]

-"We’ve decided that we’re going to return to being in the office the way we were before the onset of Covid," he said, adding that it would help staff be "better set up to invent, collaborate, and be connected enough to each other".-

Absolute drivel. If they just came out and said "we don't trust you to work from home anymore" or "it's more profitable for us to have you in the office" I wouldn't mind so much. But now people can still bounce emails back and forth all day, but just be in the same building doing it.

[wyson]

asfault said:

Everyone on PH claims they are more productive at wfh everyone I know personally had been saying how unproductive it is.
I guess it's a case of its everyone else not me.

Well in the lockdowns, when there was nothing else to do, yes. Now everything has opened up again and far more distractions, not so much.

[Heathwood]

My place has started a return to work campaign (1 day per week initially, rising to 2 days etc). I don’t mind too much but neither myself nor my colleagues get half as much done in the office compared to WFH, so it’s most certainly inefficient and unproductive for us.

[h0b0]

This is an annual message from Jassey that gets interpreted as is cascades. AWS was not a 5 day in office organization before COVID and will not be post COVID. Also, as mentioned in this thread, many of their buildings are over subscribed so it would not be possible for everyone to "return" to the office.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Wheel Turned Out said:

-"We’ve decided that we’re going to return to being in the office the way we were before the onset of Covid," he said, adding that it would help staff be "better set up to invent, collaborate, and be connected enough to each other".-

Absolute drivel. If they just came out and said "we don't trust you to work from home anymore" or "it's more profitable for us to have you in the office" I wouldn't mind so much. But now people can still bounce emails back and forth all day, but just be in the same building doing it.

Imo collaboration in person is way better than doing it over teams. That's just me though. All our best ideas, successful ideas, wouldn't have happened if we hadn't all been at the office.

I'm a fully paid up introvert and even I can't stand WFH for more than a week. I just get bored and switch off. Even though at work I won't come into contact with too many people, that 5 minutes chat with a mate in the tea room makes all the difference.

[cliffords]

I met two palls for breakfast today , banking jobs . The messages are getting stronger and now a bit more tell than suggest. For many roles the direction is back in 5 days .

[WY86]

cliffords said:

I met two palls for breakfast today , banking jobs . The messages are getting stronger and now a bit more tell than suggest. For many roles the direction is back in 5 days .

Well they would, Banks and Investment firms will be worried about all the mortgages and investments tied to city centre office spaces…

[Wheel Turned Out]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Wheel Turned Out said:

-"We’ve decided that we’re going to return to being in the office the way we were before the onset of Covid," he said, adding that it would help staff be "better set up to invent, collaborate, and be connected enough to each other".-

Absolute drivel. If they just came out and said "we don't trust you to work from home anymore" or "it's more profitable for us to have you in the office" I wouldn't mind so much. But now people can still bounce emails back and forth all day, but just be in the same building doing it.

Imo collaboration in person is way better than doing it over teams. That's just me though. All our best ideas, successful ideas, wouldn't have happened if we hadn't all been at the office.

I'm a fully paid up introvert and even I can't stand WFH for more than a week. I just get bored and switch off. Even though at work I won't come into contact with too many people, that 5 minutes chat with a mate in the tea room makes all the difference.

Which is why the hybrid model works. Few days at home, few in the office. That's where I am now and it's the happiest I've ever been, because it's a bit of everything and offers a degree of flexibility. I wouldn't expect anyone to work from home just because I like it, but by the same token I'd resent having to be dragged back to the office full time because a few others don't.

For what it's worth, my point about it being drivel wasn't that I don't think there's some degree of merit in people working together in person. It was more in respect of I feel they have other motives driving the policy. I should have articulated that more clearly.

[u6dw4]

Wheel Turned Out said:

Which is why the hybrid model works. Few days at home, few in the office. That's where I am now and it's the happiest I've ever been, because it's a bit of everything and offers a degree of flexibility. I wouldn't expect anyone to work from home just because I like it, but by the same token I'd resent having to be dragged back to the office full time because a few others don't.

For what it's worth, my point about it being drivel wasn't that I don't think there's some degree of merit in people working together in person. It was more in respect of I feel they have other motives driving the policy. I should have articulated that more clearly.

for my industry, it's not just wfh, but forcing people to move away from their homes, and then complaining they cant get the best people. if they need skills (es contractors) wfh is essential. or just keep moaning that they can't find the right skills in a rural area.

[WY86]

Wheel Turned Out said:

Which is why the hybrid model works. Few days at home, few in the office. That's where I am now and it's the happiest I've ever been, because it's a bit of everything and offers a degree of flexibility. I wouldn't expect anyone to work from home just because I like it, but by the same token I'd resent having to be dragged back to the office full time because a few others don't.

For what it's worth, my point about it being drivel wasn't that I don't think there's some degree of merit in people working together in person. It was more in respect of I feel they have other motives driving the policy. I should have articulated that more clearly.

All depends on the role you do, i work in Sales and before covid i would have been classed as field based which has now been rebranded as remote.

[Steve H]

WFH may work for certain roles where productivity is directly measurable in detail or where the job just overwhelmingly attracts motivated workers, but unless those things apply human nature kicks in and it starts to work for the worker rather than the employer.

There will be plenty who can very validly show exceptions to this rule but they are nevertheless the exceptions that prove it.