Job offer but no terms yet

[Twentyfour7]

Hi All

I have been offered a job, subject to contract. I do not know any of the terms. I have been advised if I am happy to accept they will send me the contract to approve.They are aware I am actively looking for work.

Not sure quite how to respond until I have seen the terms. I have other interviews to attend

I would appreciate your advice please

Thank you

24/7

[zedx19]

Dear Company,

I am happy to accept upon receipt and review of terms, please send them at your earliest convenience.

Kind regards

OP

[Panamax]

Seriously, what "terms" do you think you might find unacceptable?

There are only two things worth fretting about in an employment relationship,
1. Remuneration
2. Notice period

Equally well they are perfectly aware formal acceptance can only take place once the terms are agreed and that's usually indicated by signing the contract.

[MOBB]

zedx19 said:

Dear Company,

I am happy to accept upon receipt and review of terms, please send them at your earliest convenience.

Kind regards

OP

This is roughly what I would do

[fat80b]

Same,

I'd also say don't stop looking until you have a signed offer in your hand as things can and do go wrong even after a verbal offer.

I'd also be wanting to see the terms - there can be a big difference on things like pension contributions / car allowance etc that some companies assume don't matter.

[C5_Steve]

As everyone else has said, say "yes", keep going to interviews and looking for jobs until you've seen and signed the contract.

You don't say what "terms" you're waiting for, safe to assume you discussed pay and structure like location, travel, wfh etc in the interviews? This would be normal before they even made an offer so assume so. In which case it's the small details outstanding.

[joropug]

The last time I didn't ask for the contract up front (received it on first day), the following happened:

- The pay band was between A and C - I wanted C, they wanted to offer A - We settled half way on B.
- They assured me that salaries are reviewed quarterly and I could easily achieve C if I work hard.
- At the first possible opportunity, they REDUCED my salary to A as I was the, and I quote, 'Worst performing member of the team'.
- There were two people on the team and the difference between our performance equated to me working at 99.5% of their speed, within 3 months, they had worked there years.

This was a parasitic excuse for a company but it was a very strong lesson learned. Get the contract, politely.

[esuuv]

You're not bound by anything until you've signed the contract.

So say yes please - then review the contract, ask for changes etc before you sign if required.

Go to other interviews - see what they offer.

[Twentyfour7]

C5_Steve said:

As everyone else has said, say "yes", keep going to interviews and looking for jobs until you've seen and signed the contract.

You don't say what "terms" you're waiting for, safe to assume you discussed pay and structure like location, travel, wfh etc in the interviews? This would be normal before they even made an offer so assume so. In which case it's the small details outstanding.

Discussed role , location etc but no details re pay, holiday, pension, sick pay etc

[Badda]

zedx19 said:

Dear Company,

I am happy to accept upon receipt and review of terms, please send them at your earliest convenience.

Kind regards

OP

Quite. Also, never let them know you had to seek advice on a car forum of how to approach this.

[StuTheGrouch]

Twentyfour7 said:

Discussed role , location etc but no details re pay, holiday, pension, sick pay etc

In that case, tell them that you're interested in the role but will need to review the whole package before making a decision.

[Blackpuddin]

Their unwillingness to front up the terms should tell you all you need to know. Keep looking.

[zedx19]

Blackpuddin said:

Their unwillingness to front up the terms should tell you all you need to know. Keep looking.

Reads to me like they will draft up a contract if he wants the job, all seems fairly standard in my eyes. I've recently recruited and hired 3 people into my team, each of them had a Teams chat first, then a formal in person interview, then a discussion of the package and start date. If both parties are happy with this, I'll then get HR to draft a contract for the applicant to review, if they're happy they digitally sign it. If the applicant isn't interested in joining, I'm not going to go to the effort of drafting a contract.

Just because the applicant has said he wants to join, doesn't mean he's bound to do so, he gets the contract and if he's not happy, calls the recruiter and tells them his concerns. If he is happy, he signs and all is well.

I've no idea why anyone would need confirmation on what to do in this situation, never mind go to the effort of asking a car forum. If I found out one of my applicants had queried this on a car forum, I'd be concerned about their lack of decision making ability and whether they were going to be running every single decision past a superior.

[C5_Steve]

zedx19 said:

Reads to me like they will draft up a contract if he wants the job, all seems fairly standard in my eyes. I've recently recruited and hired 3 people into my team, each of them had a Teams chat first, then a formal in person interview, then a discussion of the package and start date. If both parties are happy with this, I'll then get HR to draft a contract for the applicant to review, if they're happy they digitally sign it. If the applicant isn't interested in joining, I'm not going to go to the effort of drafting a contract.

Just because the applicant has said he wants to join, doesn't mean he's bound to do so, he gets the contract and if he's not happy, calls the recruiter and tells them his concerns. If he is happy, he signs and all is well.

I've no idea why anyone would need confirmation on what to do in this situation, never mind go to the effort of asking a car forum. If I found out one of my applicants had queried this on a car forum, I'd be concerned about their lack of decision making ability and whether they were going to be running every single decision past a superior.

Would you make an offer without a discussion on pay though? Really? Not even a potential salary range? I can't even fill out an application these days without it asking for my expected salary

Sounds like there's more to this than OP has said either on their side or the companies. If it's just a normal job application I agree with your last paragraph but let's not jump to conclusions.

OP - I think you can tell from the replies already that you should be asking a few more questions up front in the process but you are where you are so just crack on and if the contract suits take up the offer. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

[Blackpuddin]

zedx19 said:

Blackpuddin said:

Their unwillingness to front up the terms should tell you all you need to know. Keep looking.

Reads to me like they will draft up a contract if he wants the job, all seems fairly standard in my eyes. I've recently recruited and hired 3 people into my team, each of them had a Teams chat first, then a formal in person interview, then a discussion of the package and start date. If both parties are happy with this, I'll then get HR to draft a contract for the applicant to review, if they're happy they digitally sign it. If the applicant isn't interested in joining, I'm not going to go to the effort of drafting a contract.

Just because the applicant has said he wants to join, doesn't mean he's bound to do so, he gets the contract and if he's not happy, calls the recruiter and tells them his concerns. If he is happy, he signs and all is well.

I've no idea why anyone would need confirmation on what to do in this situation, never mind go to the effort of asking a car forum. If I found out one of my applicants had queried this on a car forum, I'd be concerned about their lack of decision making ability and whether they were going to be running every single decision past a superior.

I guess I'm just a simple soul, for me it just whiffs to high heaven and I'd be looking elsewhere.

[anonymous-user]

Twentyfour7 said:

C5_Steve said:

As everyone else has said, say "yes", keep going to interviews and looking for jobs until you've seen and signed the contract.

You don't say what "terms" you're waiting for, safe to assume you discussed pay and structure like location, travel, wfh etc in the interviews? This would be normal before they even made an offer so assume so. In which case it's the small details outstanding.

Discussed role , location etc but no details re pay, holiday, pension, sick pay etc

I'm baffled how you could get this far in the process without having discussed this information. I won't even go to an interview without having details of the potential package on offer. I could understand if you didn't know the small stuff but this is the big stuff!!!!

[Mr Penguin]

Whenever I've been offered a job it has gone in three steps - first, tell me I was successful and they'll be in touch, second - quick email or phone call with the compensation offer, third - formal contract putting that in place with the other things that aren't as important. Without knowing what it pays, it barely counts as an offer IMO.

[r3g]

C5_Steve said:

Would you make an offer without a discussion on pay though? Really? Not even a potential salary range? I can't even fill out an application these days without it asking for my expected salary

This ^ . The company are a bunch of timewasters. Forget about them and get a job elsewhere. The only reason why they are hiding the pay from you is because it is so shockingly bad that they are trying to con you into accepting the job first before revealing it. If they advertised what the pay is up front, nobody would apply. Simple as that.

[borcy]

Is this a small tin pot company or a big company that just has a weird process for recruiting?

[StuTheGrouch]

zedx19 said:

Reads to me like they will draft up a contract if he wants the job, all seems fairly standard in my eyes. I've recently recruited and hired 3 people into my team, each of them had a Teams chat first, then a formal in person interview, then a discussion of the package and start date. If both parties are happy with this, I'll then get HR to draft a contract for the applicant to review, if they're happy they digitally sign it. If the applicant isn't interested in joining, I'm not going to go to the effort of drafting a contract.

Just because the applicant has said he wants to join, doesn't mean he's bound to do so, he gets the contract and if he's not happy, calls the recruiter and tells them his concerns. If he is happy, he signs and all is well.

I've no idea why anyone would need confirmation on what to do in this situation, never mind go to the effort of asking a car forum. If I found out one of my applicants had queried this on a car forum, I'd be concerned about their lack of decision making ability and whether they were going to be running every single decision past a superior.

I don't think your last paragraph is being very fair on the OP. Perhaps they view it as quite a delicate situation and they want to ensure that they don't say anything that damages the job offer.

As for drawing up a contract, a contract with all the fine details (notice period, confidentiality etc) is one thing. The OP has nothing! No salary, holidays etc. Nothing. You even mention a discussion of package before drawing up the contract, which is perfectly reasonable, but the OP hasn't even had that chat by the sounds of it.