Sick leave?

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fasimew

Original Poster:

417 posts

12 months

Friday 1st December 2023
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I'm currently on sick leave due to an accident at work. I am past retirement age. My employer has sent me a letter telling me that they can't pay me statutory sick pay after 12/12. I am not yet fit to go back to work. What are my options here?

My manager has also asked if i'd prefer voluntary redundancy or redundancy in ill health. Is one more advantageous than the other? There's no guarantee that i'd be offered voluntary redundancy.

Sy1441

1,194 posts

167 months

Friday 1st December 2023
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The options are as you've outlined. VR or Dismissal due to ill health. Only real difference would be what was on your reference should it matter.
I'm reading between the lines and guessing that your absence has been for a substantial period of time?

fasimew

Original Poster:

417 posts

12 months

Friday 1st December 2023
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Yes it's coming up to 6 months.

What happens wrt sick pay? They've given me a SSP1 form which should be taken to the DWP together with a medical certifcate. Does this mean I can then claim sick pay through DWP?

Polly Grigora

11,209 posts

116 months

Saturday 2nd December 2023
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How did the accident happen and what injuries are you suffering from?

CraigyMc

17,111 posts

243 months

Saturday 2nd December 2023
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fasimew said:
Yes it's coming up to 6 months.

What happens wrt sick pay? They've given me a SSP1 form which should be taken to the DWP together with a medical certificate. Does this mean I can then claim sick pay through DWP?
Statutory Sick Pay is £109.40 per week for up to 28 weeks. If you have a normal type of job that'll be a fraction of your pay.

fasimew

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417 posts

12 months

Sunday 3rd December 2023
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Polly Grigora said:
How did the accident happen and what injuries are you suffering from?
I don't see the relevance of this question. If you must know, I fell over and injured my shoulder.

Edited by fasimew on Sunday 3rd December 00:44

fasimew

Original Poster:

417 posts

12 months

Sunday 3rd December 2023
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CraigyMc said:
fasimew said:
Yes it's coming up to 6 months.

What happens wrt sick pay? They've given me a SSP1 form which should be taken to the DWP together with a medical certificate. Does this mean I can then claim sick pay through DWP?
Statutory Sick Pay is £109.40 per week for up to 28 weeks. If you have a normal type of job that'll be a fraction of your pay.
Ok I'm confused. Am I not currently on statutory sick pay? I've been receiving full pay up til now.
Do you mean to say that the government will give me £109.40 per week, after 6 months of being on full pay?

CraigyMc

17,111 posts

243 months

Sunday 3rd December 2023
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fasimew said:
CraigyMc said:
fasimew said:
Yes it's coming up to 6 months.

What happens wrt sick pay? They've given me a SSP1 form which should be taken to the DWP together with a medical certificate. Does this mean I can then claim sick pay through DWP?
Statutory Sick Pay is £109.40 per week for up to 28 weeks. If you have a normal type of job that'll be a fraction of your pay.
Ok I'm confused. Am I not currently on statutory sick pay? I've been receiving full pay up til now.
Do you mean to say that the government will give me £109.40 per week, after 6 months of being on full pay?
The company will have been paying you that (full pay) voluntarily. SSP is the legal minimum.

Polly Grigora

11,209 posts

116 months

Sunday 3rd December 2023
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fasimew said:
Polly Grigora said:
How did the accident happen and what injuries are you suffering from?
I don't see the relevance of this question. If you must know, I fell over and injured my shoulder.

Edited by fasimew on Sunday 3rd December 00:44
You're obviously bothered about money otherwise you wouldn't have opened this topic

Popped the question about your accident and injuries as there's often a possibility for claiming compensation when injured at work

loskie

5,667 posts

127 months

Sunday 3rd December 2023
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OP was overly snappy on this perfectly reasonable question.

paddy1970

811 posts

116 months

Sunday 3rd December 2023
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loskie said:
OP was overly snappy on this perfectly reasonable question.
Obviously this is a stressful situation for the OP...be kind...

Jasandjules

70,502 posts

236 months

Sunday 3rd December 2023
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fasimew said:
Polly Grigora said:
How did the accident happen and what injuries are you suffering from?
I don't see the relevance of this question. If you must know, I fell over and injured my shoulder.

Edited by fasimew on Sunday 3rd December 00:44
Was your company negligent in any way? If so it may be you can get a payoff?!?

(I should add the tragedy is that they can still dismiss you if they caused the injury).

fasimew

Original Poster:

417 posts

12 months

Sunday 3rd December 2023
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It is yet to be determined if the company was negligent. They made me sign a waiver to say that it is not their fault. However, I have not received workplacve training for a few years.

Are there any recommendations for accident injury companies?

loskie

5,667 posts

127 months

Sunday 3rd December 2023
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"made me sign a waiver"

Did that not ring alarm bells?

fasimew

Original Poster:

417 posts

12 months

Sunday 3rd December 2023
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Of course it did, but I was under duress at the time. I know this can be argued in court if it comes to it.

SydneyBridge

9,424 posts

165 months

Sunday 3rd December 2023
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Do you have any legal espenses cover on any insurance.?, they will instruct a Solicitor to assess if so
Were you doing a specific job that should have been risk assessed?
I assume HSE were involved?

fasimew

Original Poster:

417 posts

12 months

Sunday 3rd December 2023
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SydneyBridge said:
Do you have any legal espenses cover on any insurance.?, they will instruct a Solicitor to assess if so
Were you doing a specific job that should have been risk assessed?
I assume HSE were involved?
I have home insurance. Yes it is a manual job and should be risk assessed. HSE have not been involved.

MickC

1,041 posts

265 months

Tuesday 5th December 2023
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What does the SSP1 form say (i.e. what reason is ticked for SSP ending?).

It sounds to me like you have already been getting SSP as part of your full pay so you've had (or will soon have had) 28 weeks of SSP. If that's the case, you wont get any more Statutory Sick Pay and if you were working age and made redundant, DWP would put you on ESA or UC. I don't know what happens with people who are over state pension age (assuming you are from your OP) they might expect you to claim your state pension instead (and if that's your only income you'd probably get pension credit too). Or it might be if you are still looking for work the age discrimination regs might allow you to get ESA/UC while continuing to look for work. You'd have to ask them.


Muzzer79

11,060 posts

194 months

Tuesday 5th December 2023
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Have you been assessed by Occupational Health?

Dismissal due to ill health is not a straightforward, 5 minute process....

littleredrooster

5,703 posts

203 months

Tuesday 5th December 2023
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On the information given, it would seem that this falls under RIDDOR. I wonder what the company have actually done about that, given that HSE haven't (apparently) been involved.

The OP may well have a good case for compensation perhaps?

OP - it may be worth asking initially at the Citizens Advice Bureau, they're usually quite helpful.