Respectable Tenure these days?

Respectable Tenure these days?

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TopTrump

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3,309 posts

181 months

Monday 3rd July 2023
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I've had a few jobs but mostly stay in a company for 3-4 years. The last job I had was only a year as I was headhunted for my current role. The job I took on however is HIGH pressure, no support and toxic as anything to the extent I want out after nearly a year (I am on 6 month notice so would be 18 months all in). In terms of last 4 jobs- 4 years- 2 years- 1 and now 1

is this bad? Should I care? This current role has me staying awake some nights and at time can negatively effect my mood and health.

brickwall

5,305 posts

217 months

Monday 3rd July 2023
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Depends.

Whilst there are clearly exceptions (e.g., sale of a business) I’d say for a senior role you need to be in for at least 2-3 years; any less than that and it’s pretty hard to say it was a success or that you stuck out the rough with the smooth. One-off short tenures can perhaps be explained, but repeated it becomes a suspicious pattern.

TopTrump

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3,309 posts

181 months

Monday 3rd July 2023
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Hmmm. I think you are telling me what I was afraid of. Also heaps masses of pressure on my next move

brickwall

5,305 posts

217 months

Monday 3rd July 2023
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You could always scout around and see what other offers you can get, but as you say even if you do move you really need to make that next one work.
(Or go interim, but that often signals a death knell for stepping up the ladder long term)

daytonavrs

806 posts

91 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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It gets easier as time goes on and you have a little more money to play with I find....

The tendency to want to stick 2 fingers up at everyone becomes more than irresistible urge but perhaps more difficult for those who have longer term finances, targets and agendas to plan for

But I think I'm in the same boat on the job front needing to change ( except the stress, they ain't keeping me up at night lol ).....can you stay in the role but kind of look at it differently, stress about it less perhaps

TopTrump

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3,309 posts

181 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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Thanks both. It's a new position in a new industry vertical but they are just willing to back it with budget or time, added to which it is a political behemoth and full of sharks. I can try but nowhere to hide I sense.

x5tuu

12,141 posts

194 months

Friday 7th July 2023
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Personally I wouldn’t care.

I am seeing more and more applicants to where I work with tenures of under 18mths and also people leaving after 10-14mths for the next challenge.

Just seems to be a current trend and frankly, I’m looking, and unless it’s something extra special it will only be a short period (max 2yrs I expect) for me (and I’ve been with my current employer for approaching 10yrs as it stands now)

TopTrump

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3,309 posts

181 months

Friday 7th July 2023
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x5tuu said:
Personally I wouldn’t care.

I am seeing more and more applicants to where I work with tenures of under 18mths and also people leaving after 10-14mths for the next challenge.

Just seems to be a current trend and frankly, I’m looking, and unless it’s something extra special it will only be a short period (max 2yrs I expect) for me (and I’ve been with my current employer for approaching 10yrs as it stands now)
Easy for you to say with your big, shiny 10 years smile

Thanks for this, I suspect as long as there is a story, it can look better than saying in one place for too long.

Flooble

5,571 posts

107 months

Sunday 9th July 2023
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I don't think I'd worry about the length of your tenure in your current role, so much as the trend. 4, 2, 1. That would make me worry that the next one will be six months!

If you have the money set aside, taking six months out to gain a new qualification could be a better bet I think. If you need the income though - I feel like all you can do is ask your network and try to avoid that initial rejection phase.

TopTrump

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3,309 posts

181 months

Sunday 9th July 2023
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Flooble said:
so much as the trend. 4, 2, 1. That would make me worry that the next one will be six months!
Well, including notice I am at 17 months right now already smile

x5tuu

12,141 posts

194 months

Sunday 9th July 2023
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TopTrump said:
x5tuu said:
Personally I wouldn’t care.

I am seeing more and more applicants to where I work with tenures of under 18mths and also people leaving after 10-14mths for the next challenge.

Just seems to be a current trend and frankly, I’m looking, and unless it’s something extra special it will only be a short period (max 2yrs I expect) for me (and I’ve been with my current employer for approaching 10yrs as it stands now)
Easy for you to say with your big, shiny 10 years smile

Thanks for this, I suspect as long as there is a story, it can look better than saying in one place for too long.
Its certainly not a positive IMO - lots of friends/family/ex-colleagues used to criticise me when I was in my 20s for job hopping every couple of years (essentially when I got bored of the politics) and then when I hit 31 settled into a really varied role, but I would argue that its actually stagnated me and made me less desirable as a new-hire elsewhere (thankfully 'only' 41 so plenty of time to rectify this for me!). Keeping going with the short-tenure, variety really is the spice of life!

TopTrump

Original Poster:

3,309 posts

181 months

Sunday 9th July 2023
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x5tuu said:
Its certainly not a positive IMO - lots of friends/family/ex-colleagues used to criticise me when I was in my 20s for job hopping every couple of years (essentially when I got bored of the politics) and then when I hit 31 settled into a really varied role, but I would argue that its actually stagnated me and made me less desirable as a new-hire elsewhere (thankfully 'only' 41 so plenty of time to rectify this for me!). Keeping going with the short-tenure, variety really is the spice of life!
Good luck with your next steps. It's all about the stories IMO

Dog Star

16,488 posts

175 months

Sunday 9th July 2023
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People can have a funny attitude about this. I used to be an IT contractor- 21 years - and people always said a permie employer wouldn’t want me as they’d think I’d leave after a short period.

I’ve had one permanent job ever - just about to start my 11th year in it; they actually bought me out of my contract.

If the job makes you happy, you’ll stay in it.

Flooble

5,571 posts

107 months

Sunday 9th July 2023
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Wow that's quite a career length anyway - 21 + 11 + however long it took you to skill up prior to going contracting (5 years?). Impressive, I think I'd have knocked off by now. You must really love it!

Dog Star

16,488 posts

175 months

Sunday 9th July 2023
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Flooble said:
Wow that's quite a career length anyway - 21 + 11 + however long it took you to skill up prior to going contracting (5 years?). Impressive, I think I'd have knocked off by now. You must really love it!
Contracting pretty well straight after getting my degree (computer science and French). I’d done over a year on my sandwich placement doing what I needed (in French) so got my degree and world was my lobster. Straight into a contract doing the same thing.

brickwall

5,305 posts

217 months

Sunday 9th July 2023
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If you’re young(ish) and looking for advancement then the value of a long tenure at one employer is only in the growth you can demonstrate over the period.

10 years in the same role just ticking over looks very different on the CV to 10 years where you’ve seen business growth of 10x and been promoted 4 times along the way.

agent006

12,058 posts

271 months

Sunday 9th July 2023
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I wouldn't see an issue with the pattern of jobs you have. Might ask about it in the interview. Everyone makes the occasional duff move but if you can explain it and not seem completely self unaware then it's not a problem

The CVs that ring alarm bells are the ones that have no jobs longer than a year, lots of 6 month, 9 month.

Funk

26,573 posts

216 months

Monday 10th July 2023
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x5tuu said:
Its certainly not a positive IMO - lots of friends/family/ex-colleagues used to criticise me when I was in my 20s for job hopping every couple of years (essentially when I got bored of the politics) and then when I hit 31 settled into a really varied role, but I would argue that its actually stagnated me and made me less desirable as a new-hire elsewhere (thankfully 'only' 41 so plenty of time to rectify this for me!). Keeping going with the short-tenure, variety really is the spice of life!
I was similar; job-hopped a bit in my early 20s but found a role I stayed in for 7 years and then the next one where I am now having just reached 11 years. I'm really happy where I am with no plans to move at present but I'm aware it'll get harder to move as I get older (I'm 44 now).

matrignano

4,609 posts

217 months

Monday 10th July 2023
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I’ve been 15 years in my current firm and now, in hindsight, it definitely feels like at least 7 too many.
Big corporations don’t reward loyalty both in terms of increase in pay or in terms of redundancy package

67Dino

3,630 posts

112 months

Monday 10th July 2023
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TopTrump said:
I've had a few jobs but mostly stay in a company for 3-4 years. The last job I had was only a year as I was headhunted for my current role. The job I took on however is HIGH pressure, no support and toxic as anything to the extent I want out after nearly a year (I am on 6 month notice so would be 18 months all in). In terms of last 4 jobs- 4 years- 2 years- 1 and now 1

is this bad? Should I care? This current role has me staying awake some nights and at time can negatively effect my mood and health.
OP, if you can’t change this, you should leave. The length of time doesn’t matter much, just needs to be explained when asked. More importantly though, it is not healthy or productive to stay in a job that makes you feel like this.

The bigger risk is that if you stay where you are you end up with burnout and/or depression. Start making plans to move on. You deserve better.