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Have had a short period of not working after a shock redundancy earlier in the year
And in that time have noticed a trend among employers that I can only call utter rudeness and lack of politeness. That is simply telling you after an interview you did not get the job.
Happened to me 75% of the time I have been interviewed for roles, usually a skill lacking on my part or more commonly a very poorly written job spec where aspects are not stressed and only become clear on interview. The Dear John letter is never nice, but it seems these days employers cannot be bothered even to do that. It is common courtesy to let someone who often has travelled a way to at least say sorry you did not get the job.
clearly these people are so busy that is too much to ask
And in that time have noticed a trend among employers that I can only call utter rudeness and lack of politeness. That is simply telling you after an interview you did not get the job.
Happened to me 75% of the time I have been interviewed for roles, usually a skill lacking on my part or more commonly a very poorly written job spec where aspects are not stressed and only become clear on interview. The Dear John letter is never nice, but it seems these days employers cannot be bothered even to do that. It is common courtesy to let someone who often has travelled a way to at least say sorry you did not get the job.
clearly these people are so busy that is too much to ask
It's been that way for a long time.
It's pretty poor to be fair, but it seems to be acceptable these days. Maybe it's a sign that they would have been a s
tty company to work for, if they can't do be bothered to let you know (especially if you have got to interview stage), and you are better off not getting the job.
It's pretty poor to be fair, but it seems to be acceptable these days. Maybe it's a sign that they would have been a s
tty company to work for, if they can't do be bothered to let you know (especially if you have got to interview stage), and you are better off not getting the job.LukeBrown66 said:
That is kind of my thought too.
I can understand it from smaller companies without HR on site perhaps, but for larger ones with HR, it is pretty rude and creates a bad impression I must say
Chances are large companies will have an automated process, so when the chosen candidate accepts the offer, the role should be closed and everyone notified by e-mail. Probably by a generic, characterless e-mail, but a notification none the less. I can understand it from smaller companies without HR on site perhaps, but for larger ones with HR, it is pretty rude and creates a bad impression I must say
However more and more companies will hedge their bets as they don't want to discard anyone until the candidate has accepted, started and even passed probation - all of which could take months and months, so the role remains open for the whole time.
It was very frustrating when I was looking in 2017/2018 and I just came to accept that if I hadn't heard back within a week of the interview then it was a no; every time I was selected for next round I was told within a day or two of being interviewed.
At least applying for a job often takes a matter of minutes, couple of clicks and the application is done.
When I started working finding a job meant trawling the local paper with its once a week jobs pages, phoning or in some cases writing for an application form which then had to be hand written and posted back. The CV was fairly new thing and most firms would want their own forms filled in. If references were required then these would need to be posted out, filled in and returned.
Sometimes after all of this you would still get companies that would never let you know.
When I started working finding a job meant trawling the local paper with its once a week jobs pages, phoning or in some cases writing for an application form which then had to be hand written and posted back. The CV was fairly new thing and most firms would want their own forms filled in. If references were required then these would need to be posted out, filled in and returned.
Sometimes after all of this you would still get companies that would never let you know.
Yeah, it's, unfortunately, more and more common recently. It says a lot when the company tell you that "due to the volume of applications" or similar they don't have time to tell you why you didn't get it, even though it's probably taken you several hours at least in the whole process from application to interview.
If you're declined prior to an interview it's understandable as it's almost always automated, but once you've met someone and answered questions I find it plain rude. As an interviewer myself I always offered unsuccessful candidates time to go though exactly what they didn't get a role along with tips for next time, general feedback etc. Treat others how you want to be treated etc.
If you're declined prior to an interview it's understandable as it's almost always automated, but once you've met someone and answered questions I find it plain rude. As an interviewer myself I always offered unsuccessful candidates time to go though exactly what they didn't get a role along with tips for next time, general feedback etc. Treat others how you want to be treated etc.
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as above
The only way people learn how to behave with job applications is to be on the receiving end of rejection after rejection. It really does take no time at all. The world can be rather small at times, and it’s surprising how people pop up again later in life. Treating people badly nearly always come back to haunt you.
Whenever I’ve gone through recruitment and interviewed, I always say to the recruitment agency, if they want to know why they didn’t get the role, feel free to ring me up and I’ll go through the reasons why.
Literally hundreds of people later, I’ve only ever had one person ring me up.
as above
The only way people learn how to behave with job applications is to be on the receiving end of rejection after rejection. It really does take no time at all. The world can be rather small at times, and it’s surprising how people pop up again later in life. Treating people badly nearly always come back to haunt you.
Whenever I’ve gone through recruitment and interviewed, I always say to the recruitment agency, if they want to know why they didn’t get the role, feel free to ring me up and I’ll go through the reasons why.
Literally hundreds of people later, I’ve only ever had one person ring me up.
I have no issue whatsoever for not receiving any kind of reply for just an application, that is par for the course. But if you have taken the time to prepare and attend an interview, then I think it is common courtesy to at the very least send a Dear john!
it is quite frankly rude to not do this, yet it now seems standard practice.
As I say for just applying and not getting anywhere, fine, but for interviews, inexcusable, lazy and bloody rude
it is quite frankly rude to not do this, yet it now seems standard practice.
As I say for just applying and not getting anywhere, fine, but for interviews, inexcusable, lazy and bloody rude
parabolica said:
However more and more companies will hedge their bets as they don't want to discard anyone until the candidate has accepted, started and even passed probation - all of which could take months and months, so the role remains open for the whole time.
Until very very recently I would have said that was rubbish - however, I interviewed for a role for the Tony Blair Foundation in KSA roughly 18mths ago. Never heard anything back despite a couple of chasers and just wrote it off.Fast forward to last week, I get a generic rejection email. In fairness I’d pretty forgot about the role and even being interviewed but that was even worse than being ghosted after such a prolonged period of time!
Part of the problem is companies are more and more using the Applicant Tracking Systems which just bing off automated messages.
I had an interview the other week, it was via a recruiter as most IT jobs are, but they still loaded my details into their ATS. Had the interview I thought it went well. 2 days later, automated email saying thanks but no thanks. No reason given at all.
Tried to get hold of the recruiter. They were now ghosting me.
I've been in work for 22 years and changed jobs a few times but it seems worse than ever st the minute. Apply for a job, speak to the recruiter. All sounds great, then silence. Is it a no, are they still thinking about it, has the hiring manager dropped dead (actually happened to me).
I've got a final stage interview tomorrow and I hope I get it so bad, one so I can resign the current st show I work for and two so it gets me out of this horrible job seeking market.
I had an interview the other week, it was via a recruiter as most IT jobs are, but they still loaded my details into their ATS. Had the interview I thought it went well. 2 days later, automated email saying thanks but no thanks. No reason given at all.
Tried to get hold of the recruiter. They were now ghosting me.
I've been in work for 22 years and changed jobs a few times but it seems worse than ever st the minute. Apply for a job, speak to the recruiter. All sounds great, then silence. Is it a no, are they still thinking about it, has the hiring manager dropped dead (actually happened to me).
I've got a final stage interview tomorrow and I hope I get it so bad, one so I can resign the current s
t show I work for and two so it gets me out of this horrible job seeking market. bucksmanuk said:
^^^^^
as above
The only way people learn how to behave with job applications is to be on the receiving end of rejection after rejection. It really does take no time at all. The world can be rather small at times, and it’s surprising how people pop up again later in life. Treating people badly nearly always come back to haunt you.
This happened to me once. as above
The only way people learn how to behave with job applications is to be on the receiving end of rejection after rejection. It really does take no time at all. The world can be rather small at times, and it’s surprising how people pop up again later in life. Treating people badly nearly always come back to haunt you.
I was on the receiving end of an utter bellend in an interview once. This guy was incredibly rude and told me I waisted his time, all because I didn't know the answer to something that most people in my profession would google. I came out feeling utterly miserable and deflated.
Cue a few years later, this guy is interviewing at my old place of work and I was on the interview board. We both immediately knew who each other were, I killed that
with kindness. I briefly thought about asking him the same question he asked me, but decided to remain professional and he cocked up the interview on his own. Edited by Networkgeek on Friday 30th June 08:27
In my old work a senior position became available and it was well known the old bosses son would get it. He was still mates with the current boss and they had been very chummy. This guy was like Tim Nice but Dim, early 20's had had a private school education and not a single qualification let alone in the field but he would be a 'yes man' and have his hand held every step of the way so he got it.
So they did two interviews over a few weeks. I wasn't present for the first one but for the second one this guy turned up, really eager, sound chatty guy and really wanted the job. He mentioned to another guy who was at reception that he'd stayed up all night preparing and spent days on a presentation specifically for this job.
He was desperate and yet the three on the panel sat and interviewed him for an hour or more knowing fine well it was all a load of bks. Felt terrible for the guy.
The guy that got it didn't have a clue and lasted maybe two months at best. You could tell days he wanted you to do his work because he would be really friendly.
From speaking to friends this happens frequently
So they did two interviews over a few weeks. I wasn't present for the first one but for the second one this guy turned up, really eager, sound chatty guy and really wanted the job. He mentioned to another guy who was at reception that he'd stayed up all night preparing and spent days on a presentation specifically for this job.
He was desperate and yet the three on the panel sat and interviewed him for an hour or more knowing fine well it was all a load of b
ks. Felt terrible for the guy.The guy that got it didn't have a clue and lasted maybe two months at best. You could tell days he wanted you to do his work because he would be really friendly.
From speaking to friends this happens frequently
Edited by sutoka on Friday 30th June 05:51
LukeBrown66 said:
I have no issue whatsoever for not receiving any kind of reply for just an application, that is par for the course. But if you have taken the time to prepare and attend an interview, then I think it is common courtesy to at the very least send a Dear john!
it is quite frankly rude to not do this, yet it now seems standard practice.
As I say for just applying and not getting anywhere, fine, but for interviews, inexcusable, lazy and bloody rude
This was happening nearly 20 years ago...I often wouldn't get a reply to an application, which even then I accepted that they can't reply to everyone to say no thanks. However I had a couple of interviews and heard nothing back either way. I seem to recall one was via an agency as well. Rude, but they obviously decided that there was no need to worry about burning any bridges.it is quite frankly rude to not do this, yet it now seems standard practice.
As I say for just applying and not getting anywhere, fine, but for interviews, inexcusable, lazy and bloody rude
LukeBrown66 said:
That is kind of my thought too.
I can understand it from smaller companies without HR on site perhaps, but for larger ones with HR, it is pretty rude and creates a bad impression I must say
Agreed. It's remarkable how little you have to do to create a positive impression with candidates - and (maybe) even more remarkable that 'the trade' treats HR applicants in exactly the same way. I only deal with people I know and trust - and it's a very short list.I can understand it from smaller companies without HR on site perhaps, but for larger ones with HR, it is pretty rude and creates a bad impression I must say
Occasionally though the schadenfreude is strong - like with the Compliance Checking Agency that gave me an absolutely s
t candidate experience. I was taking up a role where I would, amongst other things, be managing pre-employment compliance 
Disagree OP. It removes the anxious wait and stressing. I would rather be told there and then and move on. I interviewed ten people for a post last year and six of them I knew as soon as I set eyes on them they weren’t going to be a fit. Two more I rejected after five minutes. But we had to keep them all hanging on and write untrue insincere letters. One lad we offered a job to in a different area because his attitude was so good even though he was not right for what he’d applied for.
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