Yet another salary question...
Discussion
TLDR is how much extra would you expect to receive for managerial duties on top of your day to day duties?
My scenario:
I make widgets. I also manage a team of 7 staff who each make widgets. I'm the best at making widgets and have done this role for many years. I'm the first point of call for any questions they have.
In addition to making the widgets I look after the team and oversee their day to day supervision, 121s, training, performance management, disciplinary and grievance issues. I am also generally brought in by sales to help when they are pitching to larger clients who might have questions about widgets.
I typically work at least 20% longer each week than my team, most of this time is down to managerial work.
I am paid £50k but I've just found out that my team typically get £40-£45k.
As a basic for making widgets alone, £50k feels about right but for the additional managerial work I feel £60k is fair.
I'm having a chat with the boss next week and will be providing evidence of how I justify my request in terms of additional widget making duties that I have billed for compared to the team etc but just interested to hear any views.
ETA "widgets" is just me referring to what I do in a generic sense...
My scenario:
I make widgets. I also manage a team of 7 staff who each make widgets. I'm the best at making widgets and have done this role for many years. I'm the first point of call for any questions they have.
In addition to making the widgets I look after the team and oversee their day to day supervision, 121s, training, performance management, disciplinary and grievance issues. I am also generally brought in by sales to help when they are pitching to larger clients who might have questions about widgets.
I typically work at least 20% longer each week than my team, most of this time is down to managerial work.
I am paid £50k but I've just found out that my team typically get £40-£45k.
As a basic for making widgets alone, £50k feels about right but for the additional managerial work I feel £60k is fair.
I'm having a chat with the boss next week and will be providing evidence of how I justify my request in terms of additional widget making duties that I have billed for compared to the team etc but just interested to hear any views.
ETA "widgets" is just me referring to what I do in a generic sense...
Edited by MBVitoria on Tuesday 30th May 19:19
Interesting spot,
I don't know how that specific industry works, but where I am the shop floor guys make similar money to that, and the supervisor/shift manager makes around 15% more than the floor. Our bonus's are percentage based on your income to, so that might be a difference. I do agree that doing all that extra work for what after tax will be a small amount may not seem worth it though. I think 60k seems a fair amount to ask for, so best of luck
I don't know how that specific industry works, but where I am the shop floor guys make similar money to that, and the supervisor/shift manager makes around 15% more than the floor. Our bonus's are percentage based on your income to, so that might be a difference. I do agree that doing all that extra work for what after tax will be a small amount may not seem worth it though. I think 60k seems a fair amount to ask for, so best of luck
Good luck with it OP. These types of issues can start to consume your thoughts sometimes.
I manage a team and am paid approx 10-15% more than them which doesn’t feel like enough considering the additional management/political duties I have to deal with as well as the core duties that are the same as a team member. I was promoted from within and I think therein lies the problem as the pay increase was only modest. If I went to work for a competitor I think I could easily achieve another 5-10k based on a similar role.
Fortunately I like the company and role and I’m not paid badly at all but at times when it gets under my skin I keep in mind two things:
I manage a team and am paid approx 10-15% more than them which doesn’t feel like enough considering the additional management/political duties I have to deal with as well as the core duties that are the same as a team member. I was promoted from within and I think therein lies the problem as the pay increase was only modest. If I went to work for a competitor I think I could easily achieve another 5-10k based on a similar role.
Fortunately I like the company and role and I’m not paid badly at all but at times when it gets under my skin I keep in mind two things:
- The experience I am gaining is useful and job title will look very nice on my cv for when I do eventually decide to move company.
- Being the manager means I’m not the one being managed day-to-day by someone else. There are some awful managers out there and I’d rather I was the manager than chancing who might manage me.
Alex Z said:
Based purely on 20% more hours, you should get 20% more money.
Add 20% more responsibility than the workers, and another 20% more money and you are in the right place.
If OP is spending that additional 20% of time on, in the main, managerial duties, then in order to be recompensed an additional 20% for it then that managerial time would need to improve productivity by 20% (simplistically – of course reward can be progressive rather than linear). It’s definitely not a case of ‘I work longer so I get more’ and shouldn’t be presented as such.Add 20% more responsibility than the workers, and another 20% more money and you are in the right place.
If you don't get anywhere with what you're aiming for, let them know that you'd like to discuss going back to being just a 'widget' maker without the responsibilities of management etc and discuss the salary you'd expect for that role.
They may call your bluff, but as you're in the 40% band already, the reality is the slight "loss" you might take to your pocket will result in you being 20% better off in terms of time... possibly a fair trade?
They may call your bluff, but as you're in the 40% band already, the reality is the slight "loss" you might take to your pocket will result in you being 20% better off in terms of time... possibly a fair trade?
When I first managed a team I had 2 people who were less qualified than me at an individual contributor level and were still earning 25% more than me at the management level.
My experience has led me to many new opportunities. Those that used to earn 25% more are either dead (sad situation) or still in the same role.
The experience is invaluable so start elevating yourself and find ways to stop doing double duty.
My experience has led me to many new opportunities. Those that used to earn 25% more are either dead (sad situation) or still in the same role.
The experience is invaluable so start elevating yourself and find ways to stop doing double duty.
So just to close this one, had a meeting with the boss and agreed a rise to £58k, plus I now get to earn 10% of the additional billable work that I do.
Pretty happy with that. Had some good feedback about my managerial style and have agreed that certain aspects of my role will be getting handed back to the directors to free up my time.
I still think I might get paid more elsewhere but to be fair the company is generally a good place to work and I get a lot of discretion to WFH and call my own hours so while my kids are small I'll take that.
Having a cold beer with lunch to celebrate.
Pretty happy with that. Had some good feedback about my managerial style and have agreed that certain aspects of my role will be getting handed back to the directors to free up my time.
I still think I might get paid more elsewhere but to be fair the company is generally a good place to work and I get a lot of discretion to WFH and call my own hours so while my kids are small I'll take that.
Having a cold beer with lunch to celebrate.
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