How much benefits?

[Pit Pony]

Assume a single man, 50, renting a room as a lodger. £450 rent all bills included.
Seeking work, so doing just enough not to get sanctioned.

What would the system give him?

I ask because my lodger, had a job, and appears not to be able to get another, mainly because he seems to go out of his way to not get a job offer.
He's paying his rent, but I'd rather he wasn't in bed all fking day, turning the heating on.

[Raccaccoonie]

320 a month, plus all rent paid( depending on postcode area).

If he has long term sick and passes evaluation that would double.

[Super Sonic]

Pit Pony said:

Assume a single man, 50, renting a room as a lodger. £450 rent all bills included.
Seeking work, so doing just enough not to get sanctioned.

What would the system give him?

I ask because my lodger, had a job, and appears not to be able to get another, mainly because he seems to go out of his way to not get a job offer.
He's paying his rent, but I'd rather he wasn't in bed all fking day, turning the heating on.

Is he actually in bed all day or just in his room? How do you know this, are you at home all day?

[Pit Pony]

Super Sonic said:

Pit Pony said:

Assume a single man, 50, renting a room as a lodger. £450 rent all bills included.
Seeking work, so doing just enough not to get sanctioned.

What would the system give him?

I ask because my lodger, had a job, and appears not to be able to get another, mainly because he seems to go out of his way to not get a job offer.
He's paying his rent, but I'd rather he wasn't in bed all fking day, turning the heating on.

Is he actually in bed all day or just in his room? How do you know this, are you at home all day?

I ask him how his days been. Some days he gets out of bed but invariably has spent most of it in bed.

[r44flyer]

Sounds like depression...

[StevieBee]

Whilst I understand the sentiment, as long as he's paying, how he fills his days are of no concern to you. If the heating is costing you more, you can increase the rent to cover it.

If it bothers you, you can always ask him to move on and find someone else.

[Super Sonic]

I may be wrong but I would've thought being in bed all day would mean he needs the hearing on less. Have you actually asked if he's had the heating on all day?

[Dylano]

I thought contributions based JSA was only available for 6 months?

[Acorn1]

Divorcee trying to get back on his feet? Or other

Been there - it sucks, although I was a lot younger

[KAgantua]

Serve notice on the lazy bd

That'll focus his mind

[billshoreham]

[quote=Pit Pony]Assume a single man, 50, renting a room as a lodger. £450 rent all bills included.
Seeking work, so doing just enough not to get sanctioned.

does that include food?

[Dylano]

KAgantua said:

Serve notice on the lazy bd

That'll focus his mind

A bit harsh, if this guy has been potentially working full time and paying into the system for the last 30+ years and now for whatever reason is out of work and relying on the short term relative pittance that is JSA.

I'd save your ire for those who've never had a proper job but game the system by having kids they can't afford then choosing to work minimal hours in order to receive optimum "in work" benefits.
If they know how to fully exploit the system they can be picking up more in one week than this guy receives in one month and if they time their breeding programme correctly they can continue to do that for 25 years or more.

[ZedLeg]

r44flyer said:

Sounds like depression...

It does a bit.

TBH I have to wonder what business it is of yours?

If they’re paying their rent and bills and not making a mess of your house, they’re holding up their end of the bargain.

[Jasandjules]

KAgantua said:

Serve notice on the lazy bd

That'll focus his mind

On a lodger who is paying the sums asked? Why? Replace them with someone who then defaults?!?!

[KAgantua]

Jasandjules said:

KAgantua said:

Serve notice on the lazy bd

That'll focus his mind

On a lodger who is paying the sums asked? Why? Replace them with someone who then defaults?!?!

Nah, fk em off. Layabouts will use more utilities than someone who works an honest days graft.

Also they are generally unlucky and will always have some sort of woe going on.

[Silvanus]

KAgantua said:

Jasandjules said:

KAgantua said:

Serve notice on the lazy bd

That'll focus his mind

On a lodger who is paying the sums asked? Why? Replace them with someone who then defaults?!?!

Nah, fk em off. Layabouts will use more utilities than someone who works an honest days graft.

Also they are generally unlucky and will always have some sort of woe going on.

What an unpleasant attitude. I'll be honest and admit I've had to fall back on benefits in the past for various reasons. I'm certainly not a layabout nor lazy, sometimes life dishes up situations that ate out of control, luck has nothing to do with it.

Let's hope somewhere down the line you don't hot a spot of bad luck or poor mental health.

[Leptons]

Spends all day in his room and pays his bills? Sounds like the perfect lodger TBH. Why don’t you just tell him to leave the heating alone or put his rent up?

TLDR, It’s not him That’s the weirdo.

[Pit Pony]

billshoreham]it Pony said:

Assume a single man, 50, renting a room as a lodger. £450 rent all bills included.
Seeking work, so doing just enough not to get sanctioned.

does that include food?

No. Occasionally we share the cooking.

This is his second time as a Lodger with me. Prior to the Pandemic, he owned a garage. No staff, but 2 lifts and a pit.

He left mid 2020.

He contacted me last Autumn. He'd let the garage go, and was working for a main dealer.

I was needing the top up, so he moved back in.

Since then, he's started 3 different jobs, but never seems to last more than a couple of weeks. Seems very choosy, and it has to be reasonably local.

He was supposed to have an interview yesterday, but told me he'd phoned the agrncy, to tell them, it was too labour intensive.

Now he's not missed paying the rent, so I'm wondering if it is depression, or he's got just enough to live on and therefore why bother.

[Pit Pony]

ZedLeg said:

r44flyer said:

Sounds like depression...

It does a bit.

TBH I have to wonder what business it is of yours?

If they’re paying their rent and bills and not making a mess of your house, they’re holding up their end of the bargain.

I think it's probably depression, with a little alcoholism for good measure.
He's paying the rent, not too untidy, so yes, there's no particular problem (apart from the casual racism and sexism)
My main concern was how long before he runs out of money.

[ZedLeg]

The worst thing about middle aged men with undiagnosed mental health issues is that they're absolutely certain they're fine so they won't take advice.

If you're concerned about the depression it might be worth chatting to any mutual friends you have to see what they think?

If it's just the money side of thing that's concerning, be strict if it comes to it. Saves you bother and it might give them the shake they need to go to a doctor or whatever.