Should I be paid notice if I don't work it?
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I've been employed at my current place of work for about 8 months. 1 month or so ago we were told we were facing redundancy and shortly after were formally made at risk.
We were told that if no alternative role was made available then we would be paid in lieu of notice for one month (my notice is 1 month). I.e. last day would be 28th Feb and then at the end of march we would get the final payment.
I obviously searched for a new job, found one and accepted it. I handed in my notice around the 21st Feb as it seemed like I would be getting an alternative role in my current company so needed to give proper notice so as not to jeapordise the next job - the next job has a much higher salary so i didn't want to stay at my current company.
My manager has just said that I won't get a final payment in March but rather 28th Feb plus any holiday.
Does this effectively mean this will include the 3 weeks of notice that would have gone into the March pay? He doesn't know what this will include and our HR don't have a phone number and usually take about 3 days to reply to an email!
Unfortunately this happened to me last year as well but I did get my final payment.
This is in England.
We were told that if no alternative role was made available then we would be paid in lieu of notice for one month (my notice is 1 month). I.e. last day would be 28th Feb and then at the end of march we would get the final payment.
I obviously searched for a new job, found one and accepted it. I handed in my notice around the 21st Feb as it seemed like I would be getting an alternative role in my current company so needed to give proper notice so as not to jeapordise the next job - the next job has a much higher salary so i didn't want to stay at my current company.
My manager has just said that I won't get a final payment in March but rather 28th Feb plus any holiday.
Does this effectively mean this will include the 3 weeks of notice that would have gone into the March pay? He doesn't know what this will include and our HR don't have a phone number and usually take about 3 days to reply to an email!
Unfortunately this happened to me last year as well but I did get my final payment.
This is in England.
Biker9090 said:
I've been employed at my current place of work for about 8 months. 1 month or so ago we were told we were facing redundancy and shortly after were formally made at risk.
We were told that if no alternative role was made available then we would be paid in lieu of notice for one month (my notice is 1 month). I.e. last day would be 28th Feb and then at the end of march we would get the final payment.
I obviously searched for a new job, found one and accepted it. I handed in my notice around the 21st Feb as it seemed like I would be getting an alternative role in my current company so needed to give proper notice so as not to jeapordise the next job - the next job has a much higher salary so i didn't want to stay at my current company.
My manager has just said that I won't get a final payment in March but rather 28th Feb plus any holiday.
Does this effectively mean this will include the 3 weeks of notice that would have gone into the March pay? He doesn't know what this will include and our HR don't have a phone number and usually take about 3 days to reply to an email!
Unfortunately this happened to me last year as well but I did get my final payment.
This is in England.
So, you were on a deal to finish on 28th February and be paid up to end of March, with the last payment being end of March.We were told that if no alternative role was made available then we would be paid in lieu of notice for one month (my notice is 1 month). I.e. last day would be 28th Feb and then at the end of march we would get the final payment.
I obviously searched for a new job, found one and accepted it. I handed in my notice around the 21st Feb as it seemed like I would be getting an alternative role in my current company so needed to give proper notice so as not to jeapordise the next job - the next job has a much higher salary so i didn't want to stay at my current company.
My manager has just said that I won't get a final payment in March but rather 28th Feb plus any holiday.
Does this effectively mean this will include the 3 weeks of notice that would have gone into the March pay? He doesn't know what this will include and our HR don't have a phone number and usually take about 3 days to reply to an email!
Unfortunately this happened to me last year as well but I did get my final payment.
This is in England.
Instead, you resigned on 21st February, meaning your last day is 21st March.
Your company needs to confirm if
a) They are offering PILON from 21st February to 21st March, 28th February to 21st March or not at all
b) If they are offering you PILON, if that will be paid in February or March.
Only your company can answer these questions.
Biker9090 said:
I've been employed at my current place of work for about 8 months. 1 month or so ago we were told we were facing redundancy and shortly after were formally made at risk.
We were told that if no alternative role was made available then we would be paid in lieu of notice for one month (my notice is 1 month). I.e. last day would be 28th Feb and then at the end of march we would get the final payment.
I obviously searched for a new job, found one and accepted it. I handed in my notice around the 21st Feb as it seemed like I would be getting an alternative role in my current company so needed to give proper notice so as not to jeapordise the next job - the next job has a much higher salary so i didn't want to stay at my current company.
My manager has just said that I won't get a final payment in March but rather 28th Feb plus any holiday.
Does this effectively mean this will include the 3 weeks of notice that would have gone into the March pay? He doesn't know what this will include and our HR don't have a phone number and usually take about 3 days to reply to an email!
Unfortunately this happened to me last year as well but I did get my final payment.
This is in England.
If you were getting an alternative role your employment would have continued and you would have to give notice to resign in the normal way. This also does mean that you would go through the normal leaver process (work and paid till last day plus leave owed, or negotiate an earlier final day and paid pro rata) which is separate from any potential redundancy process and Pay In Lieu Of Notice. We were told that if no alternative role was made available then we would be paid in lieu of notice for one month (my notice is 1 month). I.e. last day would be 28th Feb and then at the end of march we would get the final payment.
I obviously searched for a new job, found one and accepted it. I handed in my notice around the 21st Feb as it seemed like I would be getting an alternative role in my current company so needed to give proper notice so as not to jeapordise the next job - the next job has a much higher salary so i didn't want to stay at my current company.
My manager has just said that I won't get a final payment in March but rather 28th Feb plus any holiday.
Does this effectively mean this will include the 3 weeks of notice that would have gone into the March pay? He doesn't know what this will include and our HR don't have a phone number and usually take about 3 days to reply to an email!
Unfortunately this happened to me last year as well but I did get my final payment.
This is in England.
Basically the new role was dependant on me starting earlier - two weeks after the end of Feb.
I was getting a stream of emails suggesting I was being transferred onto another client at my current role so had to hand in my notice ASAP and couldn't wait until the end of the month.
Yeah, I've sent a number of emails as nobody is picking up a phone.
I was getting a stream of emails suggesting I was being transferred onto another client at my current role so had to hand in my notice ASAP and couldn't wait until the end of the month.
Yeah, I've sent a number of emails as nobody is picking up a phone.
Tommo87 said:
It reads to me like the Feb end payroll will be your last payment, but it will, include all money owed up until your last contractual day (20 Mar), in advance.
It avoids them the additional effort of having to pay you separately/manually on 20th March.
Just now been told that this accrued holiday will be in March's payroll.....It avoids them the additional effort of having to pay you separately/manually on 20th March.
That's what I would have thought. I gave notice as normal, they had previously said 28th last day and anything else PILON so I want my three weeks pay.
I'm a bit confused, but anyway ....
1) You're being made redundant, unless offered another role in the Co., on 28 Feb.
2) If made redundant you'd receive PILON (=1 month's pay for you).
3) You secure new job on more pay (woohoo, excellent [sorry if this reads sarcastic, it's not meant too; seriously, well done]).
4) You resign approx 21 Feb. You can start with new employer on approx. 22 Mar.
As you resigned before being made redundant I see current emoyer has following options in respect of your notice period:
1) Adheres to one month notice period, but no new role for you; you work until 28 Feb, and receive approx. 3 weeks PILON.
2) Releases you between now & 28 Feb, but waives the notice period (because you're not being made redundant, you resigned), no PILON.
3) You 'work' with them, current role, until approx. 21 Mar, no PILON
4) You work with them, current role until 28 Feb new role until approx. 21 Mar, no PILON.
I'd have thought a lot of employers may well go with option 2 as it saves them some money (and I guess money is tight if they're making a bunch of folk redundant).
1) You're being made redundant, unless offered another role in the Co., on 28 Feb.
2) If made redundant you'd receive PILON (=1 month's pay for you).
3) You secure new job on more pay (woohoo, excellent [sorry if this reads sarcastic, it's not meant too; seriously, well done]).
4) You resign approx 21 Feb. You can start with new employer on approx. 22 Mar.
As you resigned before being made redundant I see current emoyer has following options in respect of your notice period:
1) Adheres to one month notice period, but no new role for you; you work until 28 Feb, and receive approx. 3 weeks PILON.
2) Releases you between now & 28 Feb, but waives the notice period (because you're not being made redundant, you resigned), no PILON.
3) You 'work' with them, current role, until approx. 21 Mar, no PILON
4) You work with them, current role until 28 Feb new role until approx. 21 Mar, no PILON.
I'd have thought a lot of employers may well go with option 2 as it saves them some money (and I guess money is tight if they're making a bunch of folk redundant).
It looks to me like you've resigned prior to any redundancy arrangements being finalised.
I'd expect you to be paid up to your agreed leaving date, plus any outstanding holiday if the employer has agreed to pay you for this rather than ask you to take leave during your notice period.
Any PILON that was on the table as part of the redundancy went off the table when you resigned as I see it.
I'd expect you to be paid up to your agreed leaving date, plus any outstanding holiday if the employer has agreed to pay you for this rather than ask you to take leave during your notice period.
Any PILON that was on the table as part of the redundancy went off the table when you resigned as I see it.
The OP has a contractual notice period, I assume it’s one month.
The deal was last working day 28th Feb then paid a month but not required to work (Pilot)
Op resigns 21st Feb, which in theory is him giving his notice (1 month).
That the company don’t want him to work during his notice is their issue not his.
You have a one month notice period not six days.
I think you should be paid the full month.
Sheepshanks said:
Gargamel said:
That the company don’t want him to work during his notice is their issue not his.
He's suggested the company had another role for him, hence he resigned.OP: When do you start new job?
It could be negotiated to six days as it doesn’t make sense to start another role at his existing firm and leaving quickly allows him to commence his new job. But the OP seems to want all the notice paid.
Sy1441 said:
CharlesElliott said:
I would agree - everything was based on your being made redundant, and you weren't. You resigned - so the normal rules of resignation apply and everything to do with the redundancy goes away.
Yep, this.Gargamel said:
I agree too, and in the normal process, he would have a notice period.
Yes, he is entitled to contractual notice. But I don't know what end date he asked for in his resignation letter, which I presume the employer accepted. If that date is before the date of notice, I agree he is entitled to payment up to that date.Gassing Station | Jobs & Employment Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff