Solve worker shortages with immigration - CBI boss
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Solve worker shortages with immigration - CBI boss
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63697458
"The UK should use immigration to solve worker shortages and boost economic growth, the boss of the UK's biggest business group will say on Monday.
Tony Danker will call on politicians to be "practical" about immigration at the CBI's conference in Birmingham.
His speech comes as many firms struggle to recruit staff, with job vacancies near record levels"..........continues
I suppose paying a living wage to UK citizens hasn't entered his head. Says at a lot for our education system when there is a skills shortage. We seem to have ever bigger A-level passes each year, so something doesn't add up. I'm also staggered that five million people in the UK were neither working nor looking for work, and they needed to be re-trained and brought back into the labor force.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63697458
"The UK should use immigration to solve worker shortages and boost economic growth, the boss of the UK's biggest business group will say on Monday.
Tony Danker will call on politicians to be "practical" about immigration at the CBI's conference in Birmingham.
His speech comes as many firms struggle to recruit staff, with job vacancies near record levels"..........continues
I suppose paying a living wage to UK citizens hasn't entered his head. Says at a lot for our education system when there is a skills shortage. We seem to have ever bigger A-level passes each year, so something doesn't add up. I'm also staggered that five million people in the UK were neither working nor looking for work, and they needed to be re-trained and brought back into the labor force.
robinessex said:
Solve worker shortages with immigration - CBI boss
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63697458
"The UK should use immigration to solve worker shortages and boost economic growth, the boss of the UK's biggest business group will say on Monday.
Tony Danker will call on politicians to be "practical" about immigration at the CBI's conference in Birmingham.
His speech comes as many firms struggle to recruit staff, with job vacancies near record levels"..........continues
I suppose paying a living wage to UK citizens hasn't entered his head. Says at a lot for our education system when there is a skills shortage. We seem to have ever bigger A-level passes each year, so something doesn't add up. I'm also staggered that five million people in the UK were neither working nor looking for work, and they needed to be re-trained and brought back into the labor force.
What do you think a living wage should be?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63697458
"The UK should use immigration to solve worker shortages and boost economic growth, the boss of the UK's biggest business group will say on Monday.
Tony Danker will call on politicians to be "practical" about immigration at the CBI's conference in Birmingham.
His speech comes as many firms struggle to recruit staff, with job vacancies near record levels"..........continues
I suppose paying a living wage to UK citizens hasn't entered his head. Says at a lot for our education system when there is a skills shortage. We seem to have ever bigger A-level passes each year, so something doesn't add up. I'm also staggered that five million people in the UK were neither working nor looking for work, and they needed to be re-trained and brought back into the labor force.
robinessex said:
I suppose paying a living wage to UK citizens hasn't entered his head. Says at a lot for our education system when there is a skills shortage. We seem to have ever bigger A-level passes each year, so something doesn't add up. I'm also staggered that five million people in the UK were neither working nor looking for work, and they needed to be re-trained and brought back into the labor force.
Sorry Robin - but it's way more complex than that.I used to employ teams of people to undertake public engagement work; part of projects we'd deliver for local authorities. Projects would run from just a few weeks to a year or more. We supported the people we'd employ with top class training, onward career mentoring and other things plus we'd pay around 20% over min-wage. Had some great people working on these teams, quite a few of which I keep in touch with.
Prior to 2016, we'd have three times the number of applicants for the positions available. Since then, applications dwindled to a point where we'd not get enough applications to fill the spaces available. We increased the pay rate to a point where we were offering 30% - 35% over MW but with no impact and it got to the point where it was no longer cost effective for us to do this type of work.
60% of those we'd employ were from other nations, most studying here. There is simply insufficient numbers of indigenous Brits available or willing to do this type of work, regardless of what you pay them.
robinessex said:
I'm also staggered that five million people in the UK were neither working nor looking for work, and they needed to be re-trained and brought back into the labor force.
Delays on the NHS (unfit to work), failings in social care (requiring family to become carers) and failures to manage childcare costs (requiring longer maternity leave or grandparent care), has caused many to leave the workforce for longer periods.Add in the last of the defined-benefit and housing-boom beneficiaries, and there's many that have taken early retirement too.
Just this week I've seen two CVs for Ukrainians experienced in the nuclear industry. Highly doubtful they'll qualify for UK nuclear/defence work, but they're still likely to be skilled workers that will probably be wasted in a mundane manufacturing job.
We were told this in 2016. 51.8% of people who voted in a subsequent referendum didn't understand, didn't want to understand, thought they knew better, or didn't care.
We subsequently removed our ability to access a flexible, local labour market without any barriers to movement of people.
We are where we are.
We need to re-join the European Single Market and Customs Union. Until we accept this reality at government level, we are going to be hamstrung in this regard, as we can't simply flex up the existing labour supply we have as it's too small, and trying to attract people from further away than the European continent is never going to be as easy or convenient.
We have to face facts. We got it wrong. When in a hole, stop digging.
We subsequently removed our ability to access a flexible, local labour market without any barriers to movement of people.
We are where we are.
We need to re-join the European Single Market and Customs Union. Until we accept this reality at government level, we are going to be hamstrung in this regard, as we can't simply flex up the existing labour supply we have as it's too small, and trying to attract people from further away than the European continent is never going to be as easy or convenient.
We have to face facts. We got it wrong. When in a hole, stop digging.
Saleen836 said:
A lot of the jobs available that are struggling to be filled are wait staff or carers etc.problem in the UK is a lot of people will not bother with these tyoe of jobs as they are better off sitting at home claiming benefits so why would they bother!
Wrong. I happen to know someone of (young) working age, and fully fit. He's certainly not being allowed to sit on his backside, he has a whole stream of 'commitments' from the Job Center to complete looking for work. If he refuses any job offered without a dam good reason, he gets NOWT.robinessex said:
Wrong. I happen to know someone of (young) working age, and fully fit. He's certainly not being allowed to sit on his backside, he has a whole stream of 'commitments' from the Job Center to complete looking for work. If he refuses any job offered without a dam good reason, he gets NOWT.
So if there are so many jobs available and he can't refuse one without a good reason, why has he still got a whole stream of commitments from the job centre then? Surely he'd have a job by now?Edited by Motorman74 on Monday 21st November 16:20
Motorman74 said:
robinessex said:
Wrong. I happen to know someone of (young) working age, and fully fit. He's certainly not being allowed to sit on his backside, he has a whole stream of 'commitments' from the Job Center to complete looking for work. If he refuses any job offered without a dam good reason, he gets NOWT.
So if there are so many jobs available and he can't refuse one without a good reason, why has he still got a whole stream of commitments from the job centre then? Surely he'd have a job by now?Edited by Motorman74 on Monday 21st November 16:20
robinessex said:
He's given a list of available jobs to apply for. He starts at the top and works his way down until he secures one. Simple Eh? Best to read what people post, and not make uneducated guesses.
I've read exactly what you said, but your suggestion that people can't play the system and stay at home on benefits is simply laughable.If he really wanted a job in the current climate, he'd not have gone anywhere near the job centre - I see jobs that require little to no skill and above minimum wage pay (only because the have to in order to get applicants of course) advertised every day. If I was to be put out of work tomorrow, and I couldn't find work in my chosen field, I'd be applying for those until I found something better.
Bannock said:
We were told this in 2016. 51.8% of people who voted in a subsequent referendum didn't understand, didn't want to understand, thought they knew better, or didn't care.
We subsequently removed our ability to access a flexible, local labour market without any barriers to movement of people.
We are where we are.
We need to re-join the European Single Market and Customs Union. Until we accept this reality at government level, we are going to be hamstrung in this regard, as we can't simply flex up the existing labour supply we have as it's too small, and trying to attract people from further away than the European continent is never going to be as easy or convenient.
We have to face facts. We got it wrong. When in a hole, stop digging.
Or cared for other reasons.We subsequently removed our ability to access a flexible, local labour market without any barriers to movement of people.
We are where we are.
We need to re-join the European Single Market and Customs Union. Until we accept this reality at government level, we are going to be hamstrung in this regard, as we can't simply flex up the existing labour supply we have as it's too small, and trying to attract people from further away than the European continent is never going to be as easy or convenient.
We have to face facts. We got it wrong. When in a hole, stop digging.
The fact we are forced to face is that there is little to no chance of the UK getting back in again anytime in the next decade or two.
Problem is a multitude of things. people talk of "in work benefits" which is wholly misleading. Tax credits were the way New Labour branded wealth redistribution to make it more amenable to Joe Public. "Redistribution" is the core aim of socialists. Now known as "in work benefits" to exalt more sympathy for those taking them.
Then we had Brexit where everyone went on about immigration. Immigration has always been a favourable part of the UK economy something we relied on especially in agriculture, commercial cleaning etc. If we had 100% employment you could forgive people saying no to immigration. However with the redistribution and bloated welfare state too many brits were content to stay at home, let Jonny Foreigner do the dirty work and they would be rewarded for their lethargy. When Jonny Foreigner went home the brits still sit at home too and now moan about the state of everything.
Too many things to pay for at too higher cost and too many non contributors. Then the farce of high wage/skill economy. Someone still has to clean the bogs.
Either we fully overhaul welfare and undo the damage of the New Labour years or we go back to the EU to rescue our unaffordable economy we are kidding ourselves is strong. We were 5th largest global economy through being in the EU, we will be luckly to stay close outside of it.
Then we had Brexit where everyone went on about immigration. Immigration has always been a favourable part of the UK economy something we relied on especially in agriculture, commercial cleaning etc. If we had 100% employment you could forgive people saying no to immigration. However with the redistribution and bloated welfare state too many brits were content to stay at home, let Jonny Foreigner do the dirty work and they would be rewarded for their lethargy. When Jonny Foreigner went home the brits still sit at home too and now moan about the state of everything.
Too many things to pay for at too higher cost and too many non contributors. Then the farce of high wage/skill economy. Someone still has to clean the bogs.
Either we fully overhaul welfare and undo the damage of the New Labour years or we go back to the EU to rescue our unaffordable economy we are kidding ourselves is strong. We were 5th largest global economy through being in the EU, we will be luckly to stay close outside of it.
Motorman74 said:
robinessex said:
I've read exactly what you said, but your suggestion that people can't play the system and stay at home on benefits is simply laughable.
If you are fit and want to sign on for Universal Credit, you can't escape the requirement to actively look for work. You have to keep comprehensive records of applications, subsequent interviews, and failures/successes. The Job Centre certainly doesn't limit itself to simple jobs. They look at the agencies such as Indeed and apply the skills you may have. You'll get entries list in your Universal Credit, it will go in your To Do List, and notes in your journal Box.These rich sons of guns make me laugh.
50 years ago all this work was perfectly able to be done by anyone, then you decide that cheap labour was what you needed so lobbied Blair and his cronies to open up the borders, they did to improve your margins, so you dropped the wages down to their level, meaning you got no takers from local people who could earn more elsewhere, now you moan because of Brexit.
if you raised your wages a bit more, you might find local people more likely to take your crap, rubbish jobs instead of just presuming that the only people who will do it are the poorly paid 6 to a house people who have got you into this state in the first place because you are so greedy.
YOU are the ones who have built your profits and businesses on cheap labour suck it up or go elsewhere, it is also your fault, not any recent government alone.
50 years ago all this work was perfectly able to be done by anyone, then you decide that cheap labour was what you needed so lobbied Blair and his cronies to open up the borders, they did to improve your margins, so you dropped the wages down to their level, meaning you got no takers from local people who could earn more elsewhere, now you moan because of Brexit.
if you raised your wages a bit more, you might find local people more likely to take your crap, rubbish jobs instead of just presuming that the only people who will do it are the poorly paid 6 to a house people who have got you into this state in the first place because you are so greedy.
YOU are the ones who have built your profits and businesses on cheap labour suck it up or go elsewhere, it is also your fault, not any recent government alone.
Super Sonic said:
Countdown said:
What do you think a living wage should be?
How about a wage that allows full time workers to support their families without needing to claim UC.Countdown said:
I don't disagree with you hugely. However UC depends significantly on the size of your family - so a couple with 4 kids on NLW might be entitled to UC but a single 19yo won't be. If you set the NLW high enough so that the Couple/4 kids don't need to claim UC then you're potentially massively overpaying the 19 year old.
The couple w kids have almost twice as much earning potential, and lower bills per person as they all share the heat and light and can buy bigger better value food. Also they pay less tax and get child allowance. Paying full time workers a low wage then topping it up w benefits means the taxpayer is subsidising cheap labour.Super Sonic said:
Countdown said:
I don't disagree with you hugely. However UC depends significantly on the size of your family - so a couple with 4 kids on NLW might be entitled to UC but a single 19yo won't be. If you set the NLW high enough so that the Couple/4 kids don't need to claim UC then you're potentially massively overpaying the 19 year old.
The couple w kids have almost twice as much earning potential, and lower bills per person as they all share the heat and light and can buy bigger better value food. Also they pay less tax and get child allowance. Paying full time workers a low wage then topping it up w benefits means the taxpayer is subsidising cheap labour.Countdown said:
Super Sonic said:
Countdown said:
I don't disagree with you hugely. However UC depends significantly on the size of your family - so a couple with 4 kids on NLW might be entitled to UC but a single 19yo won't be. If you set the NLW high enough so that the Couple/4 kids don't need to claim UC then you're potentially massively overpaying the 19 year old.
The couple w kids have almost twice as much earning potential, and lower bills per person as they all share the heat and light and can buy bigger better value food. Also they pay less tax and get child allowance. Paying full time workers a low wage then topping it up w benefits means the taxpayer is subsidising cheap labour.Gassing Station | Jobs & Employment Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff