Having your "role reviewed"

[21TonyK]

Code for being made redundant I assume?

[Aunty Pasty]

Redundancy or job changing significantly from what you're doing now.

[Super Sonic]

Pay cut.

[21TonyK]

Could be all of above, HR from country council, internal HR manager and executive head "short meeting" can be accompanied.

[geeks]

21TonyK said:

Could be all of above, HR from country council, internal HR manager and executive head "short meeting" can be accompanied.

Be accompanied, make sure whoever is accompanying can take thorough and proper notes. Sign nothing, agree to nothing while not being a dick about it IYSWIM.

[Countdown]

Super Sonic said:

Pay cut.

i think Tony works in Public Sector so it wont be a pay cut.

@OP - is it just you who is having their role reviewed? Have there been any vibes in terms of amount of work reducing, mergers.....?

[21TonyK]

geeks said:

21TonyK said:

Could be all of above, HR from country council, internal HR manager and executive head "short meeting" can be accompanied.

Be accompanied, make sure whoever is accompanying can take thorough and proper notes. Sign nothing, agree to nothing while not being a dick about it IYSWIM.

Not in a union, says a "colleague". Any better suggestions?

[21TonyK]

Countdown said:

Super Sonic said:

Pay cut.

i think Tony works in Public Sector so it wont be a pay cut.

@OP - is it just you who is having their role reviewed? Have there been any vibes in terms of amount of work reducing, mergers.....?

Well, basically I think they are looking to save money. They can contract out my dept and tupe my team replacing me with a cheaper version who would do an element of my job the rest being the contacted out bit.

Plus theres another whole side to my job that hasn;t really existed due to covid and is unlikely to reappear as theres no appetite for it any more.

[21TonyK]

Turns out I am not alone, several staff being invited for conversations. No notice, just a "letter" handed to you without comment by HR.

[Terminator X]

Look for another job and leave. They obviously do not value you.

TX.

[Sy1441]

21TonyK said:

Well, basically I think they are looking to save money. They can contract out my dept and tupe my team replacing me with a cheaper version who would do an element of my job the rest being the contacted out bit.

Plus theres another whole side to my job that hasn;t really existed due to covid and is unlikely to reappear as theres no appetite for it any more.

That would be a breach of employment law under TUPE if you were descriminated against due to your contractual inclusions.

[shouldbworking]

21TonyK said:

Turns out I am not alone, several staff being invited for conversations. No notice, just a "letter" handed to you without comment by HR.

It's no consolation, but if the process seems entirely impersonal, that's more of sign of your employer trying to do it right, rather than trying to say lets get rid of bob, and trying to reverse engineer the process from there.

[21TonyK]

Well, I'll know what they are planning by this afternoon. Feel physically sick but I do have an application in with someone else doing a very similar job. Problem is 3 months notice and the prospective new one wants an immediate start.

[mike74]

Terminator X said:

Look for another job and leave. They obviously do not value you.

TX.

Or perhaps the penny has finally dropped with them that he's doing a completely pointless, unnecessary non-job.

(As hard as it is to believe that such a role could ever exist in the public sector)

[craigjm]

21TonyK said:

Well, I'll know what they are planning by this afternoon. Feel physically sick but I do have an application in with someone else doing a very similar job. Problem is 3 months notice and the prospective new one wants an immediate start.

You can always negotiate notice periods. If you are put “at risk” in your current role then it’s more likely they won’t hold you to a long notice period as you will be doing them a favour with the process. The usual if you don’t ask you don’t get applies.

[21TonyK]

mike74 said:

Terminator X said:

Look for another job and leave. They obviously do not value you.

TX.

Or perhaps the penny has finally dropped with them that he's doing a completely pointless, unnecessary non-job.

(As hard as it is to believe that such a role could ever exist in the public sector)

Both my manager and another member of "senior leadership" retired last year not to be replaced.

Unfortunately, I'm not on the same gravy train.

[vaud]

craigjm said:

You can always negotiate notice periods. If you are put “at risk” in your current role then it’s more likely they won’t hold you to a long notice period as you will be doing them a favour with the process. The usual if you don’t ask you don’t get applies.

^^^ This

[Bonefish Blues]

craigjm said:

21TonyK said:

Well, I'll know what they are planning by this afternoon. Feel physically sick but I do have an application in with someone else doing a very similar job. Problem is 3 months notice and the prospective new one wants an immediate start.

You can always negotiate notice periods. If you are put “at risk” in your current role then it’s more likely they won’t hold you to a long notice period as you will be doing them a favour with the process. The usual if you don’t ask you don’t get applies.

This - if you are about to start a period of consultation after being put at risk, then it's a very rare employer that won't be sensible, unless it's a business-critical role that can't yet be covered. Remember also that it's often the case that whole functions are put at risk, as opposed to individuals, so there's nothing cut-and-dried about it, they all differ IME. They should explain it all, and follow up with written confirmation.

[21TonyK]

If you are offered and accept redundancy but leave for another job before do you lose the redundancy?

[rewild]

Absolutely not, unless the terms of your redundancy include working a notice period and you are unable to fulfil that bit.

I took redundancy from my last job having already accepted another job. I just never mentioned the existence of the new job.