Holiday pay and overtime
Discussion
When should overtime be taken in to account for holiday pay?
For example:
Full time contract with a set monthly salary paid for 7.30-16.30 Monday to Friday, overtime paid for any hours worked outside of these hours.
Overtime is not guaranteed but is mentioned in contract that it is necessary for the role.
On a monthly basis 90-130 hours of overtime is normal and overtime paid is always at least 80% of basic salary.
For example:
Full time contract with a set monthly salary paid for 7.30-16.30 Monday to Friday, overtime paid for any hours worked outside of these hours.
Overtime is not guaranteed but is mentioned in contract that it is necessary for the role.
On a monthly basis 90-130 hours of overtime is normal and overtime paid is always at least 80% of basic salary.
Can sometimes depend on industry/contract.
However, I think if a fixed monthly salary instead of paid by the hour then, the overtime is not generally taken into account for holiday pay. You’d just get normal salary
ETA I haven’t had to calculate for a while, I see others are suggesting it should be
However, I think if a fixed monthly salary instead of paid by the hour then, the overtime is not generally taken into account for holiday pay. You’d just get normal salary
ETA I haven’t had to calculate for a while, I see others are suggesting it should be
Edited by AndyAudi on Sunday 4th September 14:24
Wasn't this changed a number of years ago where if you did pretty much permanent overtime it had to be taken into account in your holiday pay, similar with a commission based salary, in the past the holiday pay was just the basic, now commission from the same period in the previous year has to be paid too?
We get a payment in lue of holiday. I think it works out at around 7% of hourly rate, for overtime worked. This was only implemented a couple years ago. And the oversight for previous years was bought out with a unionised flat deal for all employees. This massively benefited those who do not overtime over those who rack up hours at the time.
Obviously if you then want to take unpaid leave you can do so.
Obviously if you then want to take unpaid leave you can do so.
Rtig said:
2 GKC said:
90-130 hours overtime per month? That’s nuts
Normally 3 weekends a month with 12 hour days and 12 hour days during the week when on site, if on nightshift it can be 12 hours overtime a day for the whole week!Road2Ruin said:
Rtig said:
2 GKC said:
90-130 hours overtime per month? That’s nuts
Normally 3 weekends a month with 12 hour days and 12 hour days during the week when on site, if on nightshift it can be 12 hours overtime a day for the whole week!Rtig said:
I wasn't clear on that, basic pay is based on Mon to Fri 07.30-16.30 and is paid regardless. ANY hours worked outside of this are overtime so a 12 hour nightshift on a weekday is paid as overtime and 07.30-16.30 is still paid as normal
Do you still have to work the 7.30-16:30 before doing the 12 hour nightshift? If so, when do you get to sleep?If not, that sounds like a good deal to me, even without extra holiday pay.
I don’t think k he is actually working these extra hours, it’s just they are paying him extra hours for deviated shifts etc
For example tomorrow I’m supposed to be on nights, but if they change me to lates at short notice they pay me 8 hours OT (in compensation for the change) but I don’t actually work any more than I would ordinarily do
For example tomorrow I’m supposed to be on nights, but if they change me to lates at short notice they pay me 8 hours OT (in compensation for the change) but I don’t actually work any more than I would ordinarily do
Defcon5 said:
I don’t think k he is actually working these extra hours, it’s just they are paying him extra hours for deviated shifts etc
For example tomorrow I’m supposed to be on nights, but if they change me to lates at short notice they pay me 8 hours OT (in compensation for the change) but I don’t actually work any more than I would ordinarily do
Well no but he does say the 12 hours are paid as overtime AS WELL as the 7.30-16:30 salary. So i assume he doesn't work the normal day but only the 12 hours night for which he gets paid an ADITIONAL 12 hours pay (at enhanced overtime rate? presumably not). if he only gets 4 hours overtime for a 12 hour shift as he's already been paid for 8 hours that he didn't do, then that's different.For example tomorrow I’m supposed to be on nights, but if they change me to lates at short notice they pay me 8 hours OT (in compensation for the change) but I don’t actually work any more than I would ordinarily do
Hopefully he'll be along soon to clarify.
MickC said:
Well no but he does say the 12 hours are paid as overtime AS WELL as the 7.30-16:30 salary. So i assume he doesn't work the normal day but only the 12 hours night for which he gets paid an ADITIONAL 12 hours pay (at enhanced overtime rate? presumably not). if he only gets 4 hours overtime for a 12 hour shift as he's already been paid for 8 hours that he didn't do, then that's different.
Hopefully he'll be along soon to clarify.
Monday to Friday normal hours are paid regardless of if they are worked or not so a 12 hour nightshift is paid as 12 hours at overtime rate on top of 0730-1630. Always jump at the chance for nightshifts!Hopefully he'll be along soon to clarify.
From what I can see overtime should be included in holiday pay, which is a considerable chunk of money extra!
Never understood why people do overtime on a large scale. Why would you want to be at work any longer than you need to be? I wouldn't go down the pub with the majority of my work colleagues so why would I spend any more hours with them than I need to?
Answer for me is that if its extra money that is required either re-evaluate what you need to live on and adjust accordingly or simply find another job that pays more money.
Answer for me is that if its extra money that is required either re-evaluate what you need to live on and adjust accordingly or simply find another job that pays more money.
austina35 said:
Never understood why people do overtime on a large scale. Why would you want to be at work any longer than you need to be? I wouldn't go down the pub with the majority of my work colleagues so why would I spend any more hours with them than I need to?
Answer for me is that if its extra money that is required either re-evaluate what you need to live on and adjust accordingly or simply find another job that pays more money.
Quoted for eternity, what a genius you are.Answer for me is that if its extra money that is required either re-evaluate what you need to live on and adjust accordingly or simply find another job that pays more money.
austina35 said:
Never understood why people do overtime on a large scale.
Answer for me is that if its extra money that is required either re-evaluate what you need to live on and adjust accordingly or simply find another job that pays more money.
You do realise finding jobs that have a significantly higher base pay often come with responsibilities/requirements that some folks are either not capable of undertaking or do not wish too. 10-15hrs overtime a week can bring an uplift of 50% to an individual on low pay which is a fairly easy way to pay for some of life’s luxuries like holidays etc.Answer for me is that if its extra money that is required either re-evaluate what you need to live on and adjust accordingly or simply find another job that pays more money.
AndyAudi said:
austina35 said:
Never understood why people do overtime on a large scale.
Answer for me is that if its extra money that is required either re-evaluate what you need to live on and adjust accordingly or simply find another job that pays more money.
You do realise finding jobs that have a significantly higher base pay often come with responsibilities/requirements that some folks are either not capable of undertaking or do not wish too. 10-15hrs overtime a week can bring an uplift of 50% to an individual on low pay which is a fairly easy way to pay for some of life’s luxuries like holidays etc.Answer for me is that if its extra money that is required either re-evaluate what you need to live on and adjust accordingly or simply find another job that pays more money.
Rtig said:
Monday to Friday normal hours are paid regardless of if they are worked or not so a 12 hour nightshift is paid as 12 hours at overtime rate on top of 0730-1630. Always jump at the chance for nightshifts!
From what I can see overtime should be included in holiday pay, which is a considerable chunk of money extra!
So you have done 4 hours extra, which as you say should presumably mean you are due 4 hours pro rata holiday (or holiday pay instead, maybe). You would not get 12 hours pro rata holiday pay though, just because they've paid you double (or more, depending on overtime rate) for the 12-hour long replacement nightshift.From what I can see overtime should be included in holiday pay, which is a considerable chunk of money extra!
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