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exelero

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1,898 posts

95 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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Morning fellas.
By the title this should go to the jobs section but hear me out.
I started working last December for a company delivering a bunch of security stuff to stores at night. Started as Class 2 but two weeks later I passed my Class 1 and received my licence before Christmas. Now I’ve been promised repeatedly that I will be assessed for Class 1 but it turned out to be always next week.
On a Friday I went and got myself assessed at another place and then started my shift at my place. Now the guys wanted me to start right away, but I said I’ll be nice and not just walk out, I’ll do another week (I was on agency anyway). Now that Friday me and another driver had to pick up a tractor unit from the service, but I told him to drive the rigid there because I needed like another 30-35 minutes to reset my driving time. I drove the tractor unit back and because of this I got sacked the Wednesday after because I drove it back from service without the relevant licence, but the day before it was agreed with the assessor that I can drive it back.
Are they retarded or am I retarded? As far as I know you don’t need Class 1 licence (which I have, but was never photocopied or anything) to drive a tractor unit WITHOUT the trailer on. Was I sacked because he knew I’d leave anyway and he just wanted a reason for it?
Who is in the wrong ?

Muzzer79

10,859 posts

193 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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exelero said:
Morning fellas.
By the title this should go to the jobs section but hear me out.

I started working last December for a company delivering a bunch of security stuff to stores at night.

Started as Class 2 but two weeks later I passed my Class 1 and received my licence before Christmas.

I’ve been promised repeatedly that I will be assessed for Class 1 but it turned out to be always next week.

On a Friday I went and got myself assessed at another place and then started my shift at my place. The guys wanted me to start right away, but I said I’ll be nice and not just walk out, I’ll do another week (I was on agency anyway).

That Friday me and another driver had to pick up a tractor unit from the service, but I told him to drive the rigid there because I needed like another 30-35 minutes to reset my driving time.

I drove the tractor unit back and because of this I got sacked the Wednesday after because I drove it back from service without the relevant licence, but the day before it was agreed with the assessor that I can drive it back.

Are they retarded or am I retarded? As far as I know you don’t need Class 1 licence (which I have, but was never photocopied or anything) to drive a tractor unit WITHOUT the trailer on. Was I sacked because he knew I’d leave anyway and he just wanted a reason for it?

Who is in the wrong ?
Edited to make it easier to read.

Which company has 'sacked' you?

Company 1 whom you're driving class 2 for or new company who assessed you for class 1?

exelero

Original Poster:

1,898 posts

95 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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Company 1 the ones I drove class 2 for

Muzzer79

10,859 posts

193 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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exelero said:
Company 1 the ones I drove class 2 for
You're on agency. How can they sack you when you don't work for them?

exelero

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1,898 posts

95 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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That’s not the point though.

Muzzer79

10,859 posts

193 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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Right, so you haven't been sacked, you've just been asked as an agency worker not to return.

It reads to me that they've done this because you've driven a Class 1 vehicle without being assessed internally.

You will claim that you had authorisation to drive it from their assessor. Only you know how documented that claim is.

Regardless, it doesn't really matter. You've not been sacked, so just go and start your new job.

exelero

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1,898 posts

95 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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Already did, it just feels bad smile

But then the original question a tractor unit on its own is not class 1 is it ?

Chrishum

1,413 posts

74 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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They’ve let you go, not sacked you. If your licence allows you to drive C1 then it would be the person who told you to drive the tractor unit who was at fault if you hadn’t been properly assessed.

Sadly however one reality of agency work is that it’s fragile and if for any reason your face doesn’t fit, or someone else comes up that’s better you can be gone.

exelero

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1,898 posts

95 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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Oh well, we live and learn.

Muzzer79

10,859 posts

193 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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exelero said:
Already did, it just feels bad smile

But then the original question a tractor unit on its own is not class 1 is it ?
It doesn't really matter.

You have a class 1 licence so are clearly qualified. But you haven't been internally assessed to drive C1 - doesn't matter if it's with trailer or without.

Frankly, even if you had been assessed without a trailer it's not like you could rock up there and get your job back, nor would I expect that you want to.


exelero

Original Poster:

1,898 posts

95 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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You’re right. I wouldn’t want to go back. On the bright side I came to a company yesterday for a shift but I’ll be here all week and they already offered me a contract. Just want to see what the money is like. I’ll find out today.

By the way I wanted to drive days but I might want to rethink that. First drop was 30 minutes away and I’ve been here for 1.5 hours and there are still a couple of artics in front of me smile

normalbloke

7,633 posts

225 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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Anyone care to summarise and give me the outcome?

TwigtheWonderkid

44,423 posts

156 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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exelero said:
As far as I know you don’t need Class 1 licence (which I have, but was never photocopied or anything) to drive a tractor unit WITHOUT the trailer on.
I think you must have a 5th wheel pinlock fitted to drive a tractor until with no trailer if you haven't got class 1.

LiamD

255 posts

207 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
I think you must have a 5th wheel pinlock fitted to drive a tractor until with no trailer if you haven't got class 1.
As far as I understand that is a myth - in regard to driving the unit you’re well within your rights to do that on a cat c licence, the only issue being they see it you that you have driven it without the assessment from themselves, which seems bonkers as you’ve got a cat c entitlement and c+e

TwigtheWonderkid

44,423 posts

156 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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LiamD said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I think you must have a 5th wheel pinlock fitted to drive a tractor until with no trailer if you haven't got class 1.
As far as I understand that is a myth - in regard to driving the unit you’re well within your rights to do that on a cat c licence, the only issue being they see it you that you have driven it without the assessment from themselves, which seems bonkers as you’ve got a cat c entitlement and c+e
OK, I'm sure you're right. Many years ago I visited a client who'd just had a new Volvo tractor unit delivered. He took me for a drive in it, with me driving on my pre 1997 car licence (up to 7.5tn) because it weighed in at 6tn or similar. He assured me that as he had the 5th wheel pinlock fitted, I was legal. I always suspected I wasn't, but it was good fun, once he'd talked me thru the basics.

Look at me, law breaker extraordinaire.

One Amp Andy

1,462 posts

196 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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They are the retarded ones. You can legally drive a tractor unit on a class 2 licence without disabling/removing the fifth wheel. My wife picks up our units from service regularly, and she only has class 2/ C/ whatever it is these days. Also, if I've read it right, you do actually now have your class 1. Sound like a bunch of dheads tbh.
I think I know who you used to work for, and if it makes you feel any better, dealing with them as a company is worse than dealing with them as a driver.
Good luck for the future mate thumbup

Edited by One Amp Andy on Tuesday 30th March 15:30

exelero

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1,898 posts

95 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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And it was me who was trying to be nice and not walk out.

One Amp Andy

1,462 posts

196 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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exelero said:
And it was me who was trying to be nice and not walk out.
Just a box ticking, nicey nicey company. On the outside. That's all that matters mate. 'Assessors' are gobstes that can't handle a job in the real world. Have you ever been in the cab when one of them has actually been 'driving'?

exelero

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1,898 posts

95 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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No, but I’ve been following him , wasn’t pleasant I can tell you that much

One Amp Andy

1,462 posts

196 months

Tuesday 30th March 2021
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If you want a bash on heavy plant, we're a fair way off you, but could give you some experience to widen your horizons a bit if you fancy a couple of days every now and again.