Women uncomfortable with transgender employee in toilet
Discussion
I'd like some advice here.
A new employee has started at my brothers place of work who identifies as a woman but was born male.
She uses the ladies toilets and the majority of the female colleagues are uncomfortable with this.
Clearly the trans employee has a right to go to work and not be forced to use another toilet but do the women have any right to not have a trans female in the ladies?
Are the women being as unreasonable as someone would have been 100 years ago having to share a toilet with person of different colour?
Any suggestions on how to deal with this?
A new employee has started at my brothers place of work who identifies as a woman but was born male.
She uses the ladies toilets and the majority of the female colleagues are uncomfortable with this.
Clearly the trans employee has a right to go to work and not be forced to use another toilet but do the women have any right to not have a trans female in the ladies?
Are the women being as unreasonable as someone would have been 100 years ago having to share a toilet with person of different colour?
Any suggestions on how to deal with this?
this is a mine field and unless you deal with this properly they will be worse off.....
There are to many out there that cause issues to manufacture a climate of fear, then they will play the big discrimination card and take them to the cleaners.....
if you have showers that are open plan and the like this is going to be very difficult, this trans will want to access there so that she can create as much issue as possible, they manufacture these issues and alienate your staff.
if it were me Id make the toilets unisex - properly segregate each toilet stall and equip with washbasin etc, and add in a few shower stalls again same principle, totally enclosed stalls walled preferably with no means to look under or over into the stall. much like newer fast food joints are doing. enter into the toilet corridor and you have several individual toilets off from the corridor that are fully separated.
Beat them at their own game, remove as much of the stress points as you can and if this is done you will move them on else where if they can not generate stress and trouble.
There are to many out there that cause issues to manufacture a climate of fear, then they will play the big discrimination card and take them to the cleaners.....
if you have showers that are open plan and the like this is going to be very difficult, this trans will want to access there so that she can create as much issue as possible, they manufacture these issues and alienate your staff.
if it were me Id make the toilets unisex - properly segregate each toilet stall and equip with washbasin etc, and add in a few shower stalls again same principle, totally enclosed stalls walled preferably with no means to look under or over into the stall. much like newer fast food joints are doing. enter into the toilet corridor and you have several individual toilets off from the corridor that are fully separated.
Beat them at their own game, remove as much of the stress points as you can and if this is done you will move them on else where if they can not generate stress and trouble.
Brainpox said:
Why are they uncomfortable with it?
To answer this point, I think the females are uncomfortable with the idea of a once male being in the toilets at the same time as them. Really appreciate the responses here. Thank you.
It also helps me better understand the situation.
I can see the way they need to move forward now.
Countdown said:
MitchT said:
slipstream 1985 said:
make them all unisex
This.The women will then all start to use the "Disbabled" toilets because some men seemingly have aiming problems and piss all over the seat.
The company already has difficulty in retaining staff as there is a shortage of people with the right skill sets and some of the women are already talking about looking to go elsewhere because of this.
I think the solution is to change the toilets to be unsexed - i.e. separate rooms with their own handbasin, floor to ceiling walls.
The staff also need to be asked to be understanding of working in a modern workplace where the law supports the transgender person's rights as they are a minority.
slipstream 1985 said:
make them all unisex
This is what we have at work.Rather than separate M/F toilets there is one area open area with individual small rooms (ie proper door and walls), each with a toilet and sink.
The area outside a corridor and not part of the bathroom.
When I first joined the rooms were labelled M or F, with at least one unisex. More recently they just removed the labels and they are all unisex. Nobody moaned.
The problem is people have grown up with segregation of bathrooms so that's what makes it uncomfortable. In your own home you don't have separate bathrooms.
98elise said:
they are all unisex. Nobody moaned.
I visited a brand new customer building a few weeks ago, some of the toilets are as you describe. Much moaning from one of the women on the tour (A H&S rep no less) I did tell her that her comments weren't appropriate in todays society. She chose to flounce at that point
Leylandeye said:
The problem with this is that the existing toilets don't lend themselves to just a change in sign.
The company already has difficulty in retaining staff as there is a shortage of people with the right skill sets and some of the women are already talking about looking to go elsewhere because of this.
I think the solution is to change the toilets to be unsexed - i.e. separate rooms with their own handbasin, floor to ceiling walls.
The staff also need to be asked to be understanding of working in a modern workplace where the law supports the transgender person's rights as they are a minority.
How are they acting in other ways?The company already has difficulty in retaining staff as there is a shortage of people with the right skill sets and some of the women are already talking about looking to go elsewhere because of this.
I think the solution is to change the toilets to be unsexed - i.e. separate rooms with their own handbasin, floor to ceiling walls.
The staff also need to be asked to be understanding of working in a modern workplace where the law supports the transgender person's rights as they are a minority.
I ask as you'd think that if they make their views over the toilets so clear it must be pretty obvious to the new employee especially if someone rocks up one day and takes down the "ladies" and "gents" signs and replaces them with a "Unisex" sign.
I mean Christ might as well put up a sign saying "this is because of you".
Sounds like it has the potential to be pretty toxic
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