TUPE over to HCL
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Not HCL, but employee of a few of the big outsourcers. They will keep you on the account until you have been drained of knowledge, which can be a remarkably short process in some cases, and your role is aligned with the RightShore model of your choice.
If you want to keep doing the same thing, in the same place, with the same mates, you're going to be sad. If you want to grasp the only slightly piss stained nettle, look at getting into the more proactive parts of HCL, and accepting that life changes, and you need to adapt to the new reality.
If you want to keep doing the same thing, in the same place, with the same mates, you're going to be sad. If you want to grasp the only slightly piss stained nettle, look at getting into the more proactive parts of HCL, and accepting that life changes, and you need to adapt to the new reality.
Having been through a recent TUPE to an outsourcing company, I would say get out now. The above poster is absolutely correct, they will just drain your knowledge and put you into some BS role and then either let you go via redundancy or make your life intolerable so that you leave of your own accord
Similar situation here:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Maybe you are at the same company?
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Maybe you are at the same company?
vaud said:
Similar situation here:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Maybe you are at the same company?
May be who knows.https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Maybe you are at the same company?
I am just thinking about different options.
I have been working on the in house application for over 5 yrs and i have feeling that we will be asked for knowledge transfer and after that we will be not be needed anymore.
There is a 5 year contract b/w HCL and my company, does it mean i will be kept for 5 years on same contract including salary ?
SteveDyson said:
May be who knows.
I am just thinking about different options.
I have been working on the in house application for over 5 yrs and i have feeling that we will be asked for knowledge transfer and after that we will be not be needed anymore.
There is a 5 year contract b/w HCL and my company, does it mean i will be kept for 5 years on same contract including salary ?
Their focus will be getting your role offshore to India as fast as possible. "Knowledge transfer" and they will take some risk in not knowing everything about the app. They will have built a set of assumptions into the transition plan. As a custom in house app you MIGHT be one of the later phases - they will focus on the highest level of resource apps first that they know the best SAP/Oracle/etcI am just thinking about different options.
I have been working on the in house application for over 5 yrs and i have feeling that we will be asked for knowledge transfer and after that we will be not be needed anymore.
There is a 5 year contract b/w HCL and my company, does it mean i will be kept for 5 years on same contract including salary ?
They will take some risk in not knowing everything.
For term, no that is just their contractual term to your company. Unless you are listed as critical resource (in which case they will talk to you about retention) then as long as they deliver the SLA promised, that 5 year commit does not flow down.
SteveDyson said:
vaud said:
Similar situation here:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Maybe you are at the same company?
May be who knows.https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Maybe you are at the same company?
steedy27 said:
Sounds like a good opportunity to start a new challenge somewhere else. Are you a Dev?, if so you might find that getting a new job is easier than expected.
Yes i am.I have been preparing myself for new challenge.
There is a lot to think about. Family, schools, housing and etc. I may have to take a pay cut in next role because i won't be able to find the same salary around my area.
Just wondering if i should start looking now or wait on company's final decision. As per my contract my notice period is 3 months.
Apologies for the blunt question: are you any good? If you’re the guy that everyone turns to when whatever system you’ve involved in barfs, and you stitch it back together, then your future is potentially quite good in HCL. Like all outsourcers, they’re very good at identifying the key people who they have to have onside, and looking after them. They need a number of onshore roles to keep the lights on, you could be one of them, at least in the medium term. If you’re part of some team and could be replaced by any member of that team, then yes, get out now. In the long term the answer is also get out, because eventually they will not need you. I do know some people who’ve made a career in outsourcers having been TUPE’d. It’s generally less of a good plan in the IPPs, but can work well in others. It tends to involve travel to whichever gig they have sold most recently.
I’d also say the market is pretty hot right now, depending on skills you shouldn’t have a big issue finding something else. Per the above comment, I recruit a shed load of technology people, happy to have a CV sent over!
(Oblig disclosure: I’ve worked in a large organisation that does outsourcing for 25 years, I’m not part of the outsourcing bit, but know it well enough....)
I’d also say the market is pretty hot right now, depending on skills you shouldn’t have a big issue finding something else. Per the above comment, I recruit a shed load of technology people, happy to have a CV sent over!
(Oblig disclosure: I’ve worked in a large organisation that does outsourcing for 25 years, I’m not part of the outsourcing bit, but know it well enough....)
SteveDyson said:
There is a 5 year contract b/w HCL and my company, does it mean i will be kept for 5 years on same contract including salary ?
This all sounds very familiar. I worked for a US Telecoms company. Last December they TUPE’D 200 of us in the UK (3000 globally) over to HCLTech with a 5yr contract to our company. Guaranteed job for one year, retention bonuses and enhanced redundancy package for 2yrs and plenty of stats like we have 97% retention rate post transfer. Less than a year in and calls mentioning FMO (Future Model of Operations) changes focusing on Centres of Excellence in India and Manila. Took them a while to actually mentions terms such as RIF, redundancy and severance but looks like all of us will be gone over the next 12 months. Thankfully it works out well for me with a decent package as I was looking for early retirement for the next 3 years anyway. But just to add to previous posts - be warned if your company does similar as there is only one outcome no matter what drivel they spin you. That 97% retention is probably in year one and just includes those who left as they knew what was coming.Would be interested to hear how it played out for the OP?
P1Fanatic said:
This all sounds very familiar. I worked for a US Telecoms company. Last December they TUPE’D 200 of us in the UK (3000 globally) over to HCLTech with a 5yr contract to our company. Guaranteed job for one year, retention bonuses and enhanced redundancy package for 2yrs and plenty of stats like we have 97% retention rate post transfer. Less than a year in and calls mentioning FMO (Future Model of Operations) changes focusing on Centres of Excellence in India and Manila. Took them a while to actually mentions terms such as RIF, redundancy and severance but looks like all of us will be gone over the next 12 months. Thankfully it works out well for me with a decent package as I was looking for early retirement for the next 3 years anyway. But just to add to previous posts - be warned if your company does similar as there is only one outcome no matter what drivel they spin you. That 97% retention is probably in year one and just includes those who left as they knew what was coming.
Would be interested to hear how it played out for the OP?
The trick if your get TUPEd can be to get into presales / sales as the large India IT companies are increasing their onshore client facing capacity to build deeper client relationships. Not massively so, but if you are good in your field or have deep industry knowledge then it can be a survival tactic.Would be interested to hear how it played out for the OP?
SteveDyson said:
There is a 5 year contract b/w HCL and my company, does it mean i will be kept for 5 years on same contract including salary ?
This all sounds very familiar. I worked for a US Telecoms company. Last December they TUPE’D 200 of us in the UK (3000 globally) over to HCLTech with a 5yr contract to our company. Guaranteed job for one year, retention bonuses and enhanced redundancy package for 2yrs and plenty of stats like we have 97% retention rate post transfer. Less than a year in and calls mentioning FMO (Future Model of Operations) changes focusing on Centres of Excellence in India and Manila. Took them a while to actually mentions terms such as RIF, redundancy and severance but looks like all of us will be gone over the next 12 months. Thankfully it works out well for me with a decent package as I was looking for early retirement for the next 3 years anyway. But just to add to previous posts - be warned if your company does similar as there is only one outcome no matter what drivel they spin you. That 97% retention is probably in year one and just includes those who left as they knew what was coming.Would be interested to hear how it played out for the OP?
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