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There is a really annoying little gobs
te on this job I am on.
He is always making mistakes that someone has to go and put right (me, four times), stories have been told about him making mistakes on other jobs that have cost money to fix, he got read the riot act for having even more time off and not ringing in, day off and turned in over two hours late the next day (common practice) etc etc...
He throws his weight about with anybody he sees as an easy target, belittling people in front of others, always having a go at one of the apprentices.
It must be because he sucks up to the foreman something rotten because I heard him getting asked about being made permanent in the company, asking him today about being chosen to go working away for them.
I just don't get it, I just don't get how certain people act like utter pricks but seem to be well thought of.
te on this job I am on.He is always making mistakes that someone has to go and put right (me, four times), stories have been told about him making mistakes on other jobs that have cost money to fix, he got read the riot act for having even more time off and not ringing in, day off and turned in over two hours late the next day (common practice) etc etc...
He throws his weight about with anybody he sees as an easy target, belittling people in front of others, always having a go at one of the apprentices.
It must be because he sucks up to the foreman something rotten because I heard him getting asked about being made permanent in the company, asking him today about being chosen to go working away for them.
I just don't get it, I just don't get how certain people act like utter pricks but seem to be well thought of.
I don't think I've contributed to this forum before, so I feel bad for the first being a vent but...
Got a similar one here...absolutely, categorically could not go to another organisation advertising for a junior position, let alone the senior one he's just been given. And I do mean given; it was advertised, candidates interviewed and the vacancy officially put on hold until further notice and he's just been awarded the title without a mention to anyone else involved.
Completely hand-held and babied throughout and is seemingly completely unable to pass a single exam for the professional qualification related to the role, despite numerous others flying through it without a problem, as well as being more effective in every sense.
I'm a firm believer that you're either happy getting what you're getting for doing what you're doing or you're not, regardless of anyone else's situation but this is laughable and a slap in the face to those more deserving of the opportunity.
Apologies again.
Got a similar one here...absolutely, categorically could not go to another organisation advertising for a junior position, let alone the senior one he's just been given. And I do mean given; it was advertised, candidates interviewed and the vacancy officially put on hold until further notice and he's just been awarded the title without a mention to anyone else involved.
Completely hand-held and babied throughout and is seemingly completely unable to pass a single exam for the professional qualification related to the role, despite numerous others flying through it without a problem, as well as being more effective in every sense.
I'm a firm believer that you're either happy getting what you're getting for doing what you're doing or you're not, regardless of anyone else's situation but this is laughable and a slap in the face to those more deserving of the opportunity.
Apologies again.
Steve H said:
Don't believe the hype. Unless he's the bosses son it'll catch up with him at some point.
Depends on the sector.I have witnessed someone screw up to the tune of 8 million quid. I was expecting the person to be fired due to sheer incompetence but In this case the person was given a promotion and a significant payrise. As I was told "she was put in a role where she couldn't do any more damage".
But hey it doesn't really matter its only the taxpayers who picked up the tab.
Steve H said:
Don't believe the hype. Unless he's the bosses son it'll catch up with him at some point.
Where I worked for 18 years it seemed to end up in them getting promoted. If they bullied people as well they were fast-tracked straight to senior management. Karma appears to have retired.Failing upwards: http://fortune.com/2014/05/23/the-extraordinary-de...
Interesting read to be honest.
and
the Peter Principle: Being promoted to your level of incompetence.
the Dilbert Principle: Promoting incompetents out of the way of the productive employees.
Interesting read to be honest.
and
the Peter Principle: Being promoted to your level of incompetence.
the Dilbert Principle: Promoting incompetents out of the way of the productive employees.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Monday 30th October 11:47
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Monday 30th October 11:48
TVR Moneypit said:
Vandenberg said:
Depends on the sector.
I have witnessed someone screw up to the tune of 8 million quid. I was expecting the person to be fired due to sheer incompetence but In this case the person was given a promotion and a significant payrise. As I was told "she was put in a role where she couldn't do any more damage".
But hey it doesn't really matter its only the taxpayers who picked up the tab.
Wow. Speechless.I have witnessed someone screw up to the tune of 8 million quid. I was expecting the person to be fired due to sheer incompetence but In this case the person was given a promotion and a significant payrise. As I was told "she was put in a role where she couldn't do any more damage".
But hey it doesn't really matter its only the taxpayers who picked up the tab.
Nope. I've got nothing. I'm just sat here shaking my head in disbelief.
For single person to be singularly responsible for an £8m loss from the public purse is highly unusual and would normally result in lengthy investigation and review as it would suggest a failing of the management processes that should exist to mitigate against such risk. Whilst she may well be at fault others should equally have prevented it occurring or getting as big as it did. Promotion tends to be used to hide the deficiencies of others as much as it is to deal with the failing or otherwise of the individual concerned.
We have this to some degree where I work.
To be fair, the girl in question is not useless. She does have some good technical knowledge and is generally fairly competent. Although when somebody has broken something and caused a regression (software) it's her more often than anybody else.
The real problem is that the managers seem to think the sun shines out of her arse, she can do no wrong, and any decision she makes isn't questioned. One of our very senior guys left at the start of the year and she seems to have assumed some of the responsibility.
Our current work is a new project, but based on existing code. She decided on a fundamental design change which is quite simply, wrong. It's genuinely funny that every single (experienced) engineer being moved over to the project is quite vocal about it being wrong when they find out how it's been done.
Unfortunately, it hasn't changed the management view and they still need to shade themselves when her arse walks by.
To be fair, the girl in question is not useless. She does have some good technical knowledge and is generally fairly competent. Although when somebody has broken something and caused a regression (software) it's her more often than anybody else.
The real problem is that the managers seem to think the sun shines out of her arse, she can do no wrong, and any decision she makes isn't questioned. One of our very senior guys left at the start of the year and she seems to have assumed some of the responsibility.
Our current work is a new project, but based on existing code. She decided on a fundamental design change which is quite simply, wrong. It's genuinely funny that every single (experienced) engineer being moved over to the project is quite vocal about it being wrong when they find out how it's been done.
Unfortunately, it hasn't changed the management view and they still need to shade themselves when her arse walks by.
davek_964 said:
We have this to some degree where I work.
To be fair, the girl in question is not useless. She does have some good technical knowledge and is generally fairly competent. Although when somebody has broken something and caused a regression (software) it's her more often than anybody else.
The real problem is that the managers seem to think the sun shines out of her arse, she can do no wrong, and any decision she makes isn't questioned. One of our very senior guys left at the start of the year and she seems to have assumed some of the responsibility.
Our current work is a new project, but based on existing code. She decided on a fundamental design change which is quite simply, wrong. It's genuinely funny that every single (experienced) engineer being moved over to the project is quite vocal about it being wrong when they find out how it's been done.
Unfortunately, it hasn't changed the management view and they still need to shade themselves when her arse walks by.
Re-write it in rust i say To be fair, the girl in question is not useless. She does have some good technical knowledge and is generally fairly competent. Although when somebody has broken something and caused a regression (software) it's her more often than anybody else.
The real problem is that the managers seem to think the sun shines out of her arse, she can do no wrong, and any decision she makes isn't questioned. One of our very senior guys left at the start of the year and she seems to have assumed some of the responsibility.
Our current work is a new project, but based on existing code. She decided on a fundamental design change which is quite simply, wrong. It's genuinely funny that every single (experienced) engineer being moved over to the project is quite vocal about it being wrong when they find out how it's been done.
Unfortunately, it hasn't changed the management view and they still need to shade themselves when her arse walks by.
Find this common in large firms with many departments.
Rather than actually deal with poor performance and all the grief and hardwork that may entail, it is far easier to promote them into a different department where it is no longer your problem but someone else's who within time will realise that the employee is a liability and do the same again.
Rather than actually deal with poor performance and all the grief and hardwork that may entail, it is far easier to promote them into a different department where it is no longer your problem but someone else's who within time will realise that the employee is a liability and do the same again.
valiant said:
Find this common in large firms with many departments.
Rather than actually deal with poor performance and all the grief and hardwork that may entail, it is far easier to promote them into a different department where it is no longer your problem but someone else's who within time will realise that the employee is a liability and do the same again.
I want to work there.Rather than actually deal with poor performance and all the grief and hardwork that may entail, it is far easier to promote them into a different department where it is no longer your problem but someone else's who within time will realise that the employee is a liability and do the same again.
I'll be CEO within the week
The place I work - terrible. The boss is always making mistakes and errors, spends money like water, and is, on some occasion rude and aggressive to customers. He can be OK, sometimes,if he's got his head on right I suppose. His time management is terrible,and often forgets important meetings,and can be seen drinking tea, and taking it easy when there's a pile of work to do. And rather than do the work,he's often swanning about on the phone talking to people, while the workers just get on with it. And really, the pay is terrible, and the conditions shocking. When I joined, i was expected to do all sorts of st, including in 1 memorable month with a spade. All month with a spade. I'm a degree qualified engineer for gawds sake. I really don't know why I work there, really I don't.
t, including in 1 memorable month with a spade. All month with a spade. I'm a degree qualified engineer for gawds sake. I really don't know why I work there, really I don't.Vandenberg said:
Steve H said:
Don't believe the hype. Unless he's the bosses son it'll catch up with him at some point.
Depends on the sector.I have witnessed someone screw up to the tune of 8 million quid. I was expecting the person to be fired due to sheer incompetence but In this case the person was given a promotion and a significant payrise. As I was told "she was put in a role where she couldn't do any more damage".
But hey it doesn't really matter its only the taxpayers who picked up the tab.
Private sector mate.
I used to work for Thames Water, which is another one of those companies where people get promoted for being st. And the amount of money that company hemorrhages you wouldn't believe.
Just one example - One guy was working on a sewage site one day, can't remember what he was doing, but he forgot to put what's called a DO probe back into the effluent after finishing the job. Turns out because of that the outgoing effluent wasn't monitored, the river shat itself, and the EA was right Thames Water's ass for causing a pollution event. It cost the company over a million to put right, with staff working overtime, through the night, managers crawling all over the place, temporary equipment hired it, you name it. It was all covered up of course... the guy didn't even get a slap on the wrist.
I used to work for Thames Water, which is another one of those companies where people get promoted for being s
t. And the amount of money that company hemorrhages you wouldn't believe. Just one example - One guy was working on a sewage site one day, can't remember what he was doing, but he forgot to put what's called a DO probe back into the effluent after finishing the job. Turns out because of that the outgoing effluent wasn't monitored, the river shat itself, and the EA was right Thames Water's ass for causing a pollution event. It cost the company over a million to put right, with staff working overtime, through the night, managers crawling all over the place, temporary equipment hired it, you name it. It was all covered up of course... the guy didn't even get a slap on the wrist.
Vandenberg said:
I have witnessed someone screw up to the tune of 8 million quid. I was expecting the person to be fired due to sheer incompetence but In this case the person was given a promotion and a significant payrise. As I was told "she was put in a role where she couldn't do any more damage".
I've seen someone on official travel drunkenly assault a female cop in a major airport, then was pursued through said airport in a scene reminiscent of The Bourne Identity, run into a secure area setting off the alarms, rugby tackled and dog piled by another bunch of cops, and promoted 2 weeks later. Oil & Gas. Incompetents don't get promoted, the psychos do.
valiant said:
Find this common in large firms with many departments.
Rather than actually deal with poor performance and all the grief and hardwork that may entail, it is far easier to promote them into a different department where it is no longer your problem but someone else's who within time will realise that the employee is a liability and do the same again.
I worked for First when I was a teenager and this was exactly how it worked with the workshop staff. The ones who had busses lined up unable to complete routes would be promoted to workshop supervisor and the depot manager once they were deemed unable to verify if work was correct or not. The worst part was that because this system was so rife the ones who had previously had to do this got promoted to middle then senior management! As someone who was meticulous about their work and too niece to understand at the time it send like a conspiracy to me!Rather than actually deal with poor performance and all the grief and hardwork that may entail, it is far easier to promote them into a different department where it is no longer your problem but someone else's who within time will realise that the employee is a liability and do the same again.
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