Disciplined, can I still be booked for holiday?

[illmonkey]

I was recently disciplined for not telling my boss I'd be in late. Not a problem, I accept I didn't tell my boss. But, a few days after the time I didn't come in, my boss booked it as holiday. I also was not told it was being booked. I came in, apologised and said I'd make it up.

Now, I've had my letter telling me I've got the disciplinary, after the meeting, but the holiday still remains.

Am I right in thinking, if I've been disciplined for it, I get the holiday back?

[TopCAD]

Not really an answer to your question but what sort of company do you work for?

If I didn't turn up on time at work and I hadn't told anyone why; my boss would be more concerned about my wellbeing.

Assuming you don't make a habbit of turning up late, and i'd imagine there was a reason for it, even if it was a one off relating to not getting up on time, my manager would not really be that bothered. I suppose it depends on the job you do though and the type of company you work for.

[Capita]

There must be a bit more to this than turning in late once?

I cant really comment in too great a detail as ive never been disciplined or had written/verbal warnings but at a guess, i'd have to say that nowhere would have a disciplinary for being late once?

[illmonkey]

Late twice, once was a whole morning, the other an hour. I informed my colleagues and got cover both times.

[STW2010]

You had time off, so a deduction from your holiday is fair.

It was an unauthorised absence, so this is what the disciplinary is for.

Let's say you have 25 days holiday a year. You then take half a day off unauthorised, and then still have 25 days holiday remaining- that doesn't sound fair on the employer to me, as by the end of the year you would have had 25.5 days off. I realise that you said to your employer that you would make up the extra time later on, but there is little that they can do to make sure that you do.

I'm sorry, as I know it's not what you wanted to hear. But the holiday deduction and the disciplinary are actually two separate things. I think that arguing with them about that would just make things that little bit worse.

[Andy OH]

illmonkey said:

Late twice, once was a whole morning, the other an hour. I informed my colleagues and got cover both times.

I don't mean to be rude but if your lateness on two separate occasions, especially a whole morning, was for reasons other than a Doctors appointment you are quite honestly taking the mickey and the deduction of holiday is fair. Put yourself in your employers position and then see if you would be lenient.

[illmonkey]

Andy OH said:

illmonkey said:

Late twice, once was a whole morning, the other an hour. I informed my colleagues and got cover both times.

I don't mean to be rude but if your lateness on two separate occasions, especially a whole morning, was for reasons other than a Doctors appointment you are quite honestly taking the mickey and the deduction of holiday is fair. Put yourself in your employers position and then see if you would be lenient.

I have, and assume an apology and time was made up, I'd not care. (both of things I done/willing to do)

[Chris_]

I put it down as holiday when this happens with one of my staff. If it was up to an hour or two, was not a common occurrence, and there was an acceptable reason, then I would be ok with it being made-up through lunch hours, after work or coming in early. Anything more, or if it happens regularly, then I think you are taking the Michael

You say that you told your "colleagues", are these the people that you are supposed to inform in case of illness or absence, or is it your boss or another manager that you are supposed to tell? A failure to follow procedures is not going to put your boss in a good mood either.

[Du1point8]

Am I missing something here?

You told your colleagues to cover but not your boss that you would be off or the reason why as well as asking colleagues to cover?

I would get the hump with you if you did that to me and just said you would sort it out later by working longer.

If you did tell the boss and there was a valid reason (hangover is not one of them) then I apologise, but you are not saying everything in the OP.

[dundarach]

It depends what your employment policy states.

I'm public sector (yer yer) and when someone does this to me, it goes down as unauthorised absence...

If you the have so much absence be it sick or above you reach a trigger point...

So for example, if you have 30 days in 12 months I can issue a formal warning

Then another 12 in 12 months another warning, leading to dismissal.

What does you abscene policy state?