Trackday brake pads?
Discussion
Hi all,
I'm taking my Cooper S out on track on the 10th May and need to get some better pads asap. I'm doing Snetterton, so it's likely they'll take a fair bit of punishment. In the past, I've used Mintex M1144, which have just about coped, but that was on slower circuits. I doubt they'd be enough this time.
I'm on a fairly strict budget and will be upgrading only the front pads, so I want to make sure I get most bang for my buck. Anyone got any suggestions for a decent fade-resistant pad that's not gonna cost the earth?
Cheers,
Mal.
I'm taking my Cooper S out on track on the 10th May and need to get some better pads asap. I'm doing Snetterton, so it's likely they'll take a fair bit of punishment. In the past, I've used Mintex M1144, which have just about coped, but that was on slower circuits. I doubt they'd be enough this time.
I'm on a fairly strict budget and will be upgrading only the front pads, so I want to make sure I get most bang for my buck. Anyone got any suggestions for a decent fade-resistant pad that's not gonna cost the earth?
Cheers,
Mal.
For similar weight Mk2 Golf I've tried 1144s nowt special, crumbled just like regular road pads after a single day, ebc yellow I had issues & with others havent tho- v good price on these.
Ive got on best with a Pagid thats no longer available so will have to change when my current hoard runs out, 1155s prob next choice.
General view is ds3000 are the business on a small budget- harder on discs tho
Hawk blue well recomended too- but like ds3000 really only recomened for track.
Pagid blue perhaps best all rounder if you can afford, dunno how they are priced for ya wagon but for old golfys can get over 4 sets of more budget pads for the same dosh tho...
Ive got on best with a Pagid thats no longer available so will have to change when my current hoard runs out, 1155s prob next choice.
General view is ds3000 are the business on a small budget- harder on discs tho
Hawk blue well recomended too- but like ds3000 really only recomened for track.
Pagid blue perhaps best all rounder if you can afford, dunno how they are priced for ya wagon but for old golfys can get over 4 sets of more budget pads for the same dosh tho...
Cheers for the recommendations, guys. I've also had a former Mini racer recommend Mintex F4R pads, which as far as I can tell are proper race pads. They're a bit more extreme than I'd considered before, but I think I might go for them this time. After all, you only find the limits of what's sensible by stepping over them. 
I'll definitely be looking at DS3000's in the future too, though.
Thanks again.
Mal.
I'll definitely be looking at DS3000's in the future too, though. Thanks again.
Mal.
i tend to brake hard and late, and so as a consequence I'm hard on brakes. in the race car i use hawk 9012 blue, very good if a little hard on the disk's but also very dirty on the wheels. in my mx5 track day car/fun road i used mintex 1144, found no probs even with two solid days round spa in the middle of summer last year. in my old E30 M3 i used to use 1155 and also tried pagids, both very good if a little cold for road use...
Hi guys, I am a newbie to the board but have seen some comments about trackday pads. EBC Brakes is known to many of you but not many people understand how my Company has changed since we took over our own full blown factory in Bristol four years ago and re-invented everything we were selling.
The latest EBC Red Ceramic are a great fast street pad and will stand the HEAT of trackdays but mileage might be limited.One track day for example which for some budgets aint enough.
The new DM 1846 EBC Yellowstuff pad takes some beating, we are running these on hundreds of cars now every weekend and one of my guys who is a Marshall has got our brakes onto dozens of front runners, they are seriously worth a try and if you dont like them, i am right here by e mail to take your comments.
The only time I would go harder than the Yellows would be on very large cars and higher HP cars such as Porsche, we run BLUESTUFF on the Porsche cars and the Monaro of emotional engineering because of weight and HP.
Yellows are great for all saloon cars up to this level.
Good luck guys
The latest EBC Red Ceramic are a great fast street pad and will stand the HEAT of trackdays but mileage might be limited.One track day for example which for some budgets aint enough.
The new DM 1846 EBC Yellowstuff pad takes some beating, we are running these on hundreds of cars now every weekend and one of my guys who is a Marshall has got our brakes onto dozens of front runners, they are seriously worth a try and if you dont like them, i am right here by e mail to take your comments.
The only time I would go harder than the Yellows would be on very large cars and higher HP cars such as Porsche, we run BLUESTUFF on the Porsche cars and the Monaro of emotional engineering because of weight and HP.
Yellows are great for all saloon cars up to this level.
Good luck guys
Is there much consideration required to uprating the brake discs as well???
If you're going to put track pads on then they are going to generate much more heat.......this in turn will be conducted across to the discs.........which means they are more likely to warp with the extra hot/cold conditions of the track.....
I can remember using some Mintex 1155 pads for a short period with some OE spec discs on my Focus (bit of an emergency, the pads I had fitted started delaminating) while I sorted my finances out to get some proper kit............NOT a good idea, absolutey knackered a brand new set of discs in around 3 months (cracked to buggery) just through comparatively normal driving (motorways, country lanes).
If you're going to put track pads on then they are going to generate much more heat.......this in turn will be conducted across to the discs.........which means they are more likely to warp with the extra hot/cold conditions of the track.....
I can remember using some Mintex 1155 pads for a short period with some OE spec discs on my Focus (bit of an emergency, the pads I had fitted started delaminating) while I sorted my finances out to get some proper kit............NOT a good idea, absolutey knackered a brand new set of discs in around 3 months (cracked to buggery) just through comparatively normal driving (motorways, country lanes).
Andy Freeman said:
Hi guys, I am a newbie to the board but have seen some comments about trackday pads. EBC Brakes is known to many of you but not many people understand how my Company has changed since we took over our own full blown factory in Bristol four years ago and re-invented everything we were selling.
The latest EBC Red Ceramic are a great fast street pad and will stand the HEAT of trackdays but mileage might be limited.One track day for example which for some budgets aint enough.
The new DM 1846 EBC Yellowstuff pad takes some beating, we are running these on hundreds of cars now every weekend and one of my guys who is a Marshall has got our brakes onto dozens of front runners, they are seriously worth a try and if you dont like them, i am right here by e mail to take your comments.
The only time I would go harder than the Yellows would be on very large cars and higher HP cars such as Porsche, we run BLUESTUFF on the Porsche cars and the Monaro of emotional engineering because of weight and HP.
Yellows are great for all saloon cars up to this level.
Good luck guys
The latest EBC Red Ceramic are a great fast street pad and will stand the HEAT of trackdays but mileage might be limited.One track day for example which for some budgets aint enough.
The new DM 1846 EBC Yellowstuff pad takes some beating, we are running these on hundreds of cars now every weekend and one of my guys who is a Marshall has got our brakes onto dozens of front runners, they are seriously worth a try and if you dont like them, i am right here by e mail to take your comments.
The only time I would go harder than the Yellows would be on very large cars and higher HP cars such as Porsche, we run BLUESTUFF on the Porsche cars and the Monaro of emotional engineering because of weight and HP.
Yellows are great for all saloon cars up to this level.
Good luck guys
Nice info
I use EBC Red stuff all round on a 22yr old Opel Monza that I use for trackdays - not yet found then to fade or performance to fall off when used rally hard.
They have done 4000 miles and several trackdays (each 150 mile plus trackday miles) and on checking before the last trackday I'd say they are 50% worn so I left em in
Only negative comment - They don't bite very hard on first initial application when used on the road on a cold early morning but a few degrees of temperature into them and they are stunning
Strangely I notice no mention of green stuff
Edited by B'stard Child on Tuesday 1st May 16:46
B'stard Child said:
Strangely I notice no mention of green stuff
"Greenstuff"
work very well indeed with grooved discs on lighter cars (under 1200Kg). I have only ever had excellent experience of them on all kinds of circuits. It is true they don't last long, but they are low cost, so it balances out. Edited by jacobyte on Wednesday 2nd May 09:02
jacobyte said:
B'stard Child said:
Strangely I notice no mention of green stuff
"Greenstuff"
work very well indeed with grooved discs on lighter cars (under 1200Kg). I have only ever had excellent experience of them on all kinds of circuits. It is true they don't last long, but they are low cost, so it balances out.That'll generate an interesting debate
My experience of GreenStuff is that they're fine as an everyday road pad. In fact, they were really good at reducing the amount of brake dust I got. However, I wouldn't use them on track - at least, not unless the car was significantly under 1000kg. Even then, I'd probably go for something a little stronger.
Mal.
Mal.
malross said:
My experience of GreenStuff is that they're fine as an everyday road pad. In fact, they were really good at reducing the amount of brake dust I got. However, I wouldn't use them on track - at least, not unless the car was significantly under 1000kg. Even then, I'd probably go for something a little stronger.
Mal.
Mal.
got to agree here my froends used 2 stes of red stuf ona honda civic crx at donnignton a while back - thats a light car as well. get some proper pads like pagid et al and you wont regret it
Have used yellowstuff on track and found them good when combined with road tyres but last outing in a 325i that is stripped and fitted with slicks they were terrible. Really standing on the pedal almost to the bulkhead and still not stopping the car,, we have braided lines and AP 5.1 fluid.
we have used DS3000 which gave very good brakes but only lasted one day so far to expensive so am now looking for another pad. maybe i am expecting to much wanting a good pad that will last 2 or 3 events might be time for a brake upgrade as well.
we have used DS3000 which gave very good brakes but only lasted one day so far to expensive so am now looking for another pad. maybe i am expecting to much wanting a good pad that will last 2 or 3 events might be time for a brake upgrade as well.
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