RE: New novice trackdays on offer
Friday 2nd March 2007
Brands HatchTrack-club has announced a series of events aimed at new track day customers or track day novices -- and it's offering a discount for PHers.
New novice trackdays on offer
Track-club expands range of trackday hires
Brands Hatch
The days are run as part of the Motorsport Vision series of novice-only track days and provide a full arrive and drive hire service, but on a novice-only day -- so no racers testing or experienced Radical owners buzzing past like you're standing still.
The offer provides the less frantic members of track-club's fleet, so the PalmerSport JP1 and Caterham CSR 260 won't be available for these events.
The MSV novice days are an ideal format to introduce yourself to driving on track. Following the signing on formalities at the start of the day the safety briefing will cover everything you need to know about the day from rules of a trackday, driving techniques and circuit information. Once driving starts, there will be a ducks and drakes session to ease you into circuit driving, each day begins with a few laps behind a pace car. This will give you the chance to experience each bend at a reduced speed and get a feel for the racing line.
To help you to improve your driving line around the circuit, brake boards and apex cones will provide a constant guide of where your car should be positioned to be as smooth as possible through each corner.
Track-club said it wants to encourage more participants into the track day market and has set up a series of offers for these events that are inclusive of car hire for two drivers, the track fee, fuel, helmet and intercom hire, insurance and a session of tuition.
The day will also include provision of a track simulator to practice your lines and enhance your circuit knowledge when you are not in the car. In addition a track-club instructor will be on hand all day to answer any queries, provide additional circuit tips and help with additional tuition.
Prices vary according to car preferences, with options available including the Renault Clio 182 Cup, Caterham Roadsport B and Lotus Elise.
Cars can be shared between two drivers although additional drivers can be arranged).
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Date (all novice days) |
Venue |
Type |
From |
|
Saturday 10th March 2007 |
Snetterton |
Full Day |
£649.00 |
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Saturday 24th March 2007 |
Oulton Park (International) |
Full Day |
£799.00 |
|
Thursday 12th April 2007 |
Brands Hatch (Indy) |
Track Evening |
£599.00 |
|
Thursday 22nd March 2007 |
Brands Hatch (Indy) |
Trackday Full Day |
£775.00 |
|
Tuesday 24th April 2007 |
Brands Hatch (Indy) |
Trackday Full Day |
£799.00 |
Don't forget: as a PHer you're entitled to a £25 discount off posted prices.
Discussion
If you take the Snetterton day as an example (total cost £649.00).
It's quoted as £149 for the track day itself i.e. basic track fee so that means for £500 you receive:
Delivery and collection of a track day car that's been fully prepared
Support of that vehicle including all fuel for the whole day
An instructor on hand for the whole day
And the fee covers not just you but a friend as well bringing the potential cost down to just £250 per person for the hire
As a Pistonhead member you also get a £25.00 discount.
It's quoted as £149 for the track day itself i.e. basic track fee so that means for £500 you receive:
Delivery and collection of a track day car that's been fully prepared
Support of that vehicle including all fuel for the whole day
An instructor on hand for the whole day
And the fee covers not just you but a friend as well bringing the potential cost down to just £250 per person for the hire
As a Pistonhead member you also get a £25.00 discount.
GnuBee said:
If you take the Snetterton day as an example (total cost £649.00).
It's quoted as £149 for the track day itself i.e. basic track fee so that means for £500 you receive:
Delivery and collection of a track day car that's been fully prepared
Support of that vehicle including all fuel for the whole day
An instructor on hand for the whole day
And the fee covers not just you but a friend as well bringing the potential cost down to just £250 per person for the hire
As a Pistonhead member you also get a £25.00 discount.
It's quoted as £149 for the track day itself i.e. basic track fee so that means for £500 you receive:
Delivery and collection of a track day car that's been fully prepared
Support of that vehicle including all fuel for the whole day
An instructor on hand for the whole day
And the fee covers not just you but a friend as well bringing the potential cost down to just £250 per person for the hire
As a Pistonhead member you also get a £25.00 discount.
Booking an instructor session is usually around £25, tank of fuel £40, passenger ride £25 and trackday of around £150 max so that's £250 in your own car as opposed to £650 (or £800 for the Brands Indy which is about £199 for a Novice day in April).
It still sounds really expensive?
Edited by parakitaMol on Monday 5th March 21:24
parakitaMol said:
£250 in your own car as opposed to £650
please let me know what car you've been using on track that doesn't use any consumables, has no risk of damage or insurance costs and is not depreciated in any way by having been used on track. I could with buying a dozen or so of them.
cheers,
Jonny
BaT
jleroux said:
parakitaMol said:
£250 in your own car as opposed to £650
please let me know what car you've been using on track that doesn't use any consumables, has no risk of damage or insurance costs and is not depreciated in any way by having been used on track. I could with buying a dozen or so of them.
cheers,
Jonny
BaT
Jonny, if you actually read my OP it says I'm very keen to do a trackday, I have not done a proper one - I did however take my S2000 out for about 60 miles on an empty track at Val De Vienne, did no damage, did not use any 'consumables' and did not depreciate my car in any way, I used about £20 fuel.
I am trying to get a handle on the costs so I can decide what 'good value' is. I'm asking for advice here, and my figures are guestimates, so please don't be so patronising.
Which raisies another question, does anyone know what track insurance would be for a day.
Edited to add: I'm quite happy for my 'made up' costs to be torn apart, if anyone wants to explain what costs I should actually consider & what I've totally underestimated - I'm genuinely asking the question so my knowledge on this subject can be expanded. Thanks in advance
Edited by parakitaMol on Tuesday 6th March 10:04
For insurance you need to talk to someone like Competition Car Insurance - prepare yourself for a bit of a shock though! Alternatively some companies do offer track insurance as a part of or an addition to their normal policies. When it's in addition to you normally pay a rate based on the car and the track and for example when I was with Greenlight I paid an average of £95 for a single days cover at Donington on a car whose replacement costs where 16k. Having said all that do not forget that the insurance will cover you for an "incident" it's not going to protect you in any way shape or form if your S2000s variable timing equipment times itself out through your bonnet or if the rear diff decides it's had enough - this mechanical damage is far more common than "incident" based damage by the way...
The real costs of a track day, broadly speaking, are; the track fee, petrol, your time, tyre wear, brake pad wear, brake disc wear, increased wear on all engine and driveline components, insurance costs, depreciation. One should also mention the need to change the frequency with which you change oil (engine and transmission) and brake fluid.
If you were lapping VdV at track pace then even in only 60 miles you will have incurred "consumable" costs. Every time drive the car you do - as to depreciation the same argument applies; in this mileage obsessed market, those 60 miles further depreciated your car.
With the above in mind then the £500 figure represents a cost that covers; the actual logistics of getting the car to and from the track, the wear to tyres, brakes etc, fuelling the car, the insurance costs, the depreciation of the car, the provision of a highly qualified member of staff to look after you and the car. At the same time you are not incurring any of these costs against your own car and you are not exposing your car to the risk of an uninsurable catastrophic mechnanical failure...
It's not that your "made up" figures are flawed it's simply that they do not take account of the "hidden" costs of which there are so many. The headline price of £100 or £200 for a day is in reality only the very beginnings of your actual costs and one needs to be mindful of this especially in this specific example where you are comparing using your own car against hiring a car.
The real costs of a track day, broadly speaking, are; the track fee, petrol, your time, tyre wear, brake pad wear, brake disc wear, increased wear on all engine and driveline components, insurance costs, depreciation. One should also mention the need to change the frequency with which you change oil (engine and transmission) and brake fluid.
If you were lapping VdV at track pace then even in only 60 miles you will have incurred "consumable" costs. Every time drive the car you do - as to depreciation the same argument applies; in this mileage obsessed market, those 60 miles further depreciated your car.
With the above in mind then the £500 figure represents a cost that covers; the actual logistics of getting the car to and from the track, the wear to tyres, brakes etc, fuelling the car, the insurance costs, the depreciation of the car, the provision of a highly qualified member of staff to look after you and the car. At the same time you are not incurring any of these costs against your own car and you are not exposing your car to the risk of an uninsurable catastrophic mechnanical failure...
It's not that your "made up" figures are flawed it's simply that they do not take account of the "hidden" costs of which there are so many. The headline price of £100 or £200 for a day is in reality only the very beginnings of your actual costs and one needs to be mindful of this especially in this specific example where you are comparing using your own car against hiring a car.
Edited by GnuBee on Tuesday 6th March 10:14
Edited by GnuBee on Tuesday 6th March 10:16
GnuBee said:
When it's in addition to you normally pay a rate based on the car and the track and for example when I was with Greenlight I paid an average of £95 for a single days cover at Donington on a car whose replacement costs where 16k. Having said all that do not forget that the insurance will cover you for an "incident" it's not going to protect you in any way shape or form if your S2000s variable timing equipment times itself out through your bonnet or if the rear diff decides it's had enough - this mechanical damage is far more common than "incident" based damage by the way...
The real costs of a track day, broadly speaking, are; the track fee, petrol, your time, tyre wear, brake pad wear, brake disc wear, increased wear on all engine and driveline components, insurance costs, depreciation. One should also mention the need to change the frequency with which you change oil (engine and transmission) and brake fluid.
If you were lapping VdV at track pace then even in only 60 miles you will have incurred "consumable" costs. Every time drive the car you do - as to depreciation the same argument applies; in this mileage obsessed market, those 60 miles further depreciated your car.
The real costs of a track day, broadly speaking, are; the track fee, petrol, your time, tyre wear, brake pad wear, brake disc wear, increased wear on all engine and driveline components, insurance costs, depreciation. One should also mention the need to change the frequency with which you change oil (engine and transmission) and brake fluid.
If you were lapping VdV at track pace then even in only 60 miles you will have incurred "consumable" costs. Every time drive the car you do - as to depreciation the same argument applies; in this mileage obsessed market, those 60 miles further depreciated your car.
Thanks a lot GnuBee. So based on passenger days that I have done and also what you are saying, the real costs are this:
Insurance worst case scenario: £150 for a £33k car (probably over estimating now!)
Fuel: £50
Wear & Tear & Consumables - can't put a price on - I'm driving the car everyday anyway - lets say £100
(It's a one year old car that is still under warranty, if something broke it is unlikely to be under the 'extreme' driving that I won't be doing as a novice, I'll probably just be going a bit faster and harder on brakes, tyres & gears than normal, but I'm not rallying or racing here)
Track Fee £150 (ish depending on the track)
My time £0 - I am not self employed
Instructor (if you want one £25, I wouldn't)
Passenger £25 (I wouldn't take one)
That's still £450 but the insurance is a very wild guess and I'm not convinced that I'd spend £100 on 'consumables' on a dedicated novice day either provided I'd just had the car serviced and I took care to warm up the car & cool down the brakes after each session. I'm still thinking it's probably £300/350 at the absolute max? The idea for me is that I learn to handle and enjoy my own car (Z4-M) better, I'm not looking for a 'driving experience' in a different car. I'm genuinely weighing up the pros & cons though - it's unrealistic to expect people not to do that if you're promoting a 'service' as opposed to a physical product.
Your insurance cost is probably too low if you do not have the option through your current insurer. I'd advise that you get a quote from CCI if you want cover but as I said be warned that you cannot get cover for mechanical failure - it's also worth stating that, as others have found, you can run into "interesting" discussions with your dealer if they're called upon to remediate an issue that occurred during track use...
If this is your first time on track you should consider that tuition is mandatory - it'll keep you, your car and just as importantly other track users safe. Not only that but a basic set of skills acquired during such tuition will enable you to get much more out of the whole day.
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I'll probably just be going a bit faster and harder on brakes, tyres & gears than normal, but I'm not rallying or racing here)
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I'd take issue with this statement to be honest; there is an enormous gulf between even "fast" road driving and the track. You will not be going just a bit faster - you will be going considerably faster and you will be harder on all parts of your car than normal. One of the main things that you will find is that you will spend an order of magnitude longer at WOT and then at full braking than you would ever do on the road. You will be changing gear at or approaching the red-line most of the time and you will (at least in theory) never be coasting - you'll be on a neutral throttle position instead as you head for the apex.
In your place I'd be asking what it is that I want to achieve; If your desire is to learn control of your car at or approaching the limit then other options present themselves (Don Palmer, Car Limits) that would be more appropriate. If you want to start doing trackdays and get the most from your first few forays then as stated above you should absolutely consider tuition.
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it's unrealistic to expect people not to do that if you're promoting a 'service' as opposed to a physical product.
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I totally agree hence this, what I hope, is a helpful but also full and frank discussion of where the costs are etc. We've been doing this (as has Jonny) for long enough to have a very realistic appreciation of the costs involved and also in identifying where our respective companies can be of help.
If this is your first time on track you should consider that tuition is mandatory - it'll keep you, your car and just as importantly other track users safe. Not only that but a basic set of skills acquired during such tuition will enable you to get much more out of the whole day.
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I'll probably just be going a bit faster and harder on brakes, tyres & gears than normal, but I'm not rallying or racing here)
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I'd take issue with this statement to be honest; there is an enormous gulf between even "fast" road driving and the track. You will not be going just a bit faster - you will be going considerably faster and you will be harder on all parts of your car than normal. One of the main things that you will find is that you will spend an order of magnitude longer at WOT and then at full braking than you would ever do on the road. You will be changing gear at or approaching the red-line most of the time and you will (at least in theory) never be coasting - you'll be on a neutral throttle position instead as you head for the apex.
In your place I'd be asking what it is that I want to achieve; If your desire is to learn control of your car at or approaching the limit then other options present themselves (Don Palmer, Car Limits) that would be more appropriate. If you want to start doing trackdays and get the most from your first few forays then as stated above you should absolutely consider tuition.
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it's unrealistic to expect people not to do that if you're promoting a 'service' as opposed to a physical product.
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I totally agree hence this, what I hope, is a helpful but also full and frank discussion of where the costs are etc. We've been doing this (as has Jonny) for long enough to have a very realistic appreciation of the costs involved and also in identifying where our respective companies can be of help.
Edited by GnuBee on Tuesday 6th March 10:57
parakitaMol said:
I'm really keen to get out in the car on a novice specific trackday but that's a bit steep IMO even if it does include the car.
Jonny - you can't win this argument against someone who has not put their own car through a season of track days and then looked honestly at the true costs
Clearly it's not for everyone........
parakitaMol as you point out you have not done a proper track day in your own car, I suggest that you do several and then weigh up the pro's and cons. I've run both a Lotus Elise and a BMW M3 as a track car and pound for pound it's cheaper to hire one unless;
- you also use the car as your everyday transport and ignore depreciation and don't bother with the additional engine and gearbox oil changes
- or you do a lot of track days, circa 20 - 30 per year
Unless you have driven properly on track (go along to a BaT day and ask Jonny to take you out for an example) then you have no concept of the mechanical stress that you put on your poor piece of garage jewellery.
GnuBee said:
Your insurance cost is probably too low. I'd advise that you get a quote from CCI - be warned that you cannot get cover for mechanical failure - it's also worth stating that, as others have found, you can run into "interesting" discussions with your dealer if they're called upon to remediate an issue that occurred during track use.
If this is your first time on track you should consider that tuition is mandatory - it'll keep you, your car and just as importantly other track users safe. Not only that but a basic set of skills acquired during such tuition will enable you to get much more out of the whole day.
I'll probably just be going a bit faster and harder on brakes, tyres & gears than normal, but I'm not rallying or racing here)
I'd take issue with this statement to be honest; there is an enormous gulf between even "fast" road driving and the track. You will not be going just a bit faster - you will be going considerably faster and you will be harder on all parts of your car than normal. One of the main things that you will find is that you will spend an order of magnitude longer at WOT and then at full braking than you would ever do on the road. You will be changing gear at or approaching the red-line most of the time and you will (at least in theory) never be coasting - you'll be on a neutral throttle position instead as you head for the apex.
In your place I'd be asking what it is that I want to achieve; If your desire is to learn control of your car at or approaching the limit then other options present themselves (Don Palmer, Car Limits) that would be more appropriate. If you want to start doing trackdays and get the most from your first few forays then as stated above you should absolutely consider tuition.
If this is your first time on track you should consider that tuition is mandatory - it'll keep you, your car and just as importantly other track users safe. Not only that but a basic set of skills acquired during such tuition will enable you to get much more out of the whole day.
I'll probably just be going a bit faster and harder on brakes, tyres & gears than normal, but I'm not rallying or racing here)
I'd take issue with this statement to be honest; there is an enormous gulf between even "fast" road driving and the track. You will not be going just a bit faster - you will be going considerably faster and you will be harder on all parts of your car than normal. One of the main things that you will find is that you will spend an order of magnitude longer at WOT and then at full braking than you would ever do on the road. You will be changing gear at or approaching the red-line most of the time and you will (at least in theory) never be coasting - you'll be on a neutral throttle position instead as you head for the apex.
In your place I'd be asking what it is that I want to achieve; If your desire is to learn control of your car at or approaching the limit then other options present themselves (Don Palmer, Car Limits) that would be more appropriate. If you want to start doing trackdays and get the most from your first few forays then as stated above you should absolutely consider tuition.
Thanks, all really useful info, I'm probably not your usual novice because I've done many many years of bike trackdays as well as all 4 levels of the California Superbike Race schools, Ron Haslam schools etc etc, I'm aware of the extra load on brakes and tyres from doing years of them, you might think it's different but after being a passenger a few times recently I realised how transferrable a lot of the track discipline is, especially with 'reading' the track braking points & apexes etc.
I've done several dedicated 'skill' days in cars and recently used a friends instructor session at Brands Hatch track day who had cancelled, I'm not bragging in the slightest but he tweaked a few basic errors such as my hand position etc said he was very surprised to hear I'd never done a car track day, I passed several cars & drove it absolutely maxxed out - he was very complementary about my braking, positioning etc & just said I needed a faster car (with gears! lol). I certainly would do it if I had never been on a track & knew nothing about turning, braking, visual referencing etc etc and so your point is a very valid one and would be the advice I would give too.
I also quite aware about how much faster I will be going, like I say I'm not entirely new to this, however, I was just making the point that this is a new, solid & reasonable performance car that should withstand a trackday at the hands of a novice without going pop.... I am aware that the insurance does not cover for mechanical failure, you pointed that out in your earlier post which I read, I also know people who took out track cover for their bikes although I never did, and I'm not intending on going to go into a dealer to tell them I've just tracked it if something breaks - do people really do this?? - however I do think it's highly unlikely. I will get a quote out of interest though, I do think my biggest risk/cost might be from bodywork damage on such a new car.
Edited to add: my expectation of trackdays per year would be in the region of 3 (max) - my car is depreciating while it is sitting on the drive, I'm not sure I could calculate how much depreciation might occur during 3 trackdays that could realistically be attributed to those days provided I didn't damage it? maybe 250/300 miles per event including getting there???
Edited by parakitaMol on Tuesday 6th March 11:28
sorry if my post appeared patronising - that certainly wasn't the intention. I had wrongly assumed you'd done a few track days and were comparing known costs.
as sdd pointed out - there are many hidden costs associated with track days. you won't get full insurance on a £30K car for £150 - you're likely to have a £4-5K excess at that sort of premium. expect closer to £300 premium for a sensible excess (~£1K).
regarding consumables - the Z4M is a heavy, powerful car. In a full track day (>100miles) even at a modest pace you will use up about 1/4 to a 1/3rd of the tyre tread. How much is a set of tyres for the Z4M? £600+ ?
You will also use up a similar (if not more) percentage of the brake pads. And if you're doing things by the book you should be changing your oil at a rate of 10 track miles = 1 road miles so that 10k service interval becomes 1k of track miles.
hopefully you can now start to appreciate that £500 for a track day car for the day is not unreasonable - especially one you would need a tow-car and trailer to get to the circuit. (that's another set of costs that haven't even been considered here).
As stephen said - i'd be more than happy to take you out for a few laps as a passenger at any of our track days - just drop me an email jonny@bookatrack.com. same goes for anyone else who's interested in track days but unsure about taking the first step.
Jonny
BaT
as sdd pointed out - there are many hidden costs associated with track days. you won't get full insurance on a £30K car for £150 - you're likely to have a £4-5K excess at that sort of premium. expect closer to £300 premium for a sensible excess (~£1K).
regarding consumables - the Z4M is a heavy, powerful car. In a full track day (>100miles) even at a modest pace you will use up about 1/4 to a 1/3rd of the tyre tread. How much is a set of tyres for the Z4M? £600+ ?
You will also use up a similar (if not more) percentage of the brake pads. And if you're doing things by the book you should be changing your oil at a rate of 10 track miles = 1 road miles so that 10k service interval becomes 1k of track miles.
hopefully you can now start to appreciate that £500 for a track day car for the day is not unreasonable - especially one you would need a tow-car and trailer to get to the circuit. (that's another set of costs that haven't even been considered here).
As stephen said - i'd be more than happy to take you out for a few laps as a passenger at any of our track days - just drop me an email jonny@bookatrack.com. same goes for anyone else who's interested in track days but unsure about taking the first step.
Jonny
BaT
parakitaMol,
I think with your last post it's clear that you are somewhat atypical and it's not immediately obvious that you fall into the category of a novice track day participant given your background.
Given that you are expecting to take part in around 3 days in any given year I think we would be confident that we could provide demonstrable savings however this would presuppose that you take a realistic view of the overall costs of operating your own car as both everyday transport and track day tool and that you separate out costs accordingly.
To move the discussion forward it seems that the most appropriate advice we can give in your specific case is that you perhaps take a season of track days in your own car and use that to build a "fund" of knowledge about where you are incurring costs and where you may be able to reduce those costs or mitigate the potential costs of damage.
I think with your last post it's clear that you are somewhat atypical and it's not immediately obvious that you fall into the category of a novice track day participant given your background.
Given that you are expecting to take part in around 3 days in any given year I think we would be confident that we could provide demonstrable savings however this would presuppose that you take a realistic view of the overall costs of operating your own car as both everyday transport and track day tool and that you separate out costs accordingly.
To move the discussion forward it seems that the most appropriate advice we can give in your specific case is that you perhaps take a season of track days in your own car and use that to build a "fund" of knowledge about where you are incurring costs and where you may be able to reduce those costs or mitigate the potential costs of damage.
jleroux said:
there are many hidden costs associated with track days. you won't get full insurance on a £30K car for £150 - you're likely to have a £4-5K excess at that sort of premium. expect closer to £300 premium for a sensible excess (~£1K).
regarding consumables - the Z4M is a heavy, powerful car. In a full track day (>100miles) even at a modest pace you will use up about 1/4 to a 1/3rd of the tyre tread. How much is a set of tyres for the Z4M? £600+ ?
You will also use up a similar (if not more) percentage of the brake pads. And if you're doing things by the book you should be changing your oil at a rate of 10 track miles = 1 road miles so that 10k service interval becomes 1k of track miles.
hopefully you can now start to appreciate that £500 for a track day car for the day is not unreasonable - especially one you would need a tow-car and trailer to get to the circuit. (that's another set of costs that haven't even been considered here).
regarding consumables - the Z4M is a heavy, powerful car. In a full track day (>100miles) even at a modest pace you will use up about 1/4 to a 1/3rd of the tyre tread. How much is a set of tyres for the Z4M? £600+ ?
You will also use up a similar (if not more) percentage of the brake pads. And if you're doing things by the book you should be changing your oil at a rate of 10 track miles = 1 road miles so that 10k service interval becomes 1k of track miles.
hopefully you can now start to appreciate that £500 for a track day car for the day is not unreasonable - especially one you would need a tow-car and trailer to get to the circuit. (that's another set of costs that haven't even been considered here).
Much more useful cost info! I don't think £500 is unreasonable - I have not yet arrived at any conclusion - I am just trying to calculate the pro's & cons accurately. Thank you.
GnuBee said:
To move the discussion forward it seems that the most appropriate advice we can give in your specific case is that you perhaps take a season of track days in your own car and use that to build a "fund" of knowledge about where you are incurring costs and where you may be able to reduce those costs or mitigate the potential costs of damage.
I have no intention of doing a 'season' I simply want to understand the difference between taking my own car out on the 'odd' occasion or hiring one for the 'odd' occasion. Thank you for all your comments though, it's very helpful and a useful discussion that I am sure that lots of people will also find helpful when they initially see the cost of £799 in front of them.
sospan,
it's all about what you want. The above offer is for a track day and car hire where you will not be sharing the car with anyone else. track-day experiences (like our taster days) are cheaper because there will be a number of you sharing cars (for example 6 people across 2 cars). Clearly the primary difference is how much time you spend driving and also whether that time is spent with an instructor next to you (which you may or may not want).
We do run both types of events i.e; experiences and novice days and in addition corporate events and pure arrive drive. You can see more at our website www.track-club.com and more information about the cheaper taster day options are available at www.track-club.com/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1170437277/
I'm not sure what you meant by the "up and running" remark; but we've run events like this over the last few years including corporate events. We've also been providing cars to the arrive drive market for the last few years. All our cars are fully track prepared and range from a Renaultsport Clio through to a v6 engined Palmer JP1. We are also in theory on the cusp of announcing another very significant addition to our fleet.
I'd hope that would put your mind at rest about us.
it's all about what you want. The above offer is for a track day and car hire where you will not be sharing the car with anyone else. track-day experiences (like our taster days) are cheaper because there will be a number of you sharing cars (for example 6 people across 2 cars). Clearly the primary difference is how much time you spend driving and also whether that time is spent with an instructor next to you (which you may or may not want).
We do run both types of events i.e; experiences and novice days and in addition corporate events and pure arrive drive. You can see more at our website www.track-club.com and more information about the cheaper taster day options are available at www.track-club.com/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1170437277/
I'm not sure what you meant by the "up and running" remark; but we've run events like this over the last few years including corporate events. We've also been providing cars to the arrive drive market for the last few years. All our cars are fully track prepared and range from a Renaultsport Clio through to a v6 engined Palmer JP1. We are also in theory on the cusp of announcing another very significant addition to our fleet.
I'd hope that would put your mind at rest about us.
Edited by GnuBee on Thursday 8th March 09:29
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