Toyo T1Rs or Goodyear F1s?
Discussion
Depending on what M3 it is ,ie the tyre sizes.
T1-r are excellent tyre on the road but depending on the car some feedback I have had is not so good mainly M3 CSL,if I had the choice I would mainly go for
F1 in relation to a CSL.
However I put some on a F360 and the client found them to be better than O.E Pirelli.
steve
T1-r are excellent tyre on the road but depending on the car some feedback I have had is not so good mainly M3 CSL,if I had the choice I would mainly go for
F1 in relation to a CSL.
However I put some on a F360 and the client found them to be better than O.E Pirelli.
steve
If its an E46 M3 you might want to look into tyres very carefully, researching on BMW specific forums etc for recommendations before making a decision. My mate has an E46 330i with 18" wheels and he put on a pair of F1's on the rear because they were cheaper than the BMW fitment Conti / Michelins and it made it scary, for some reason the different grip characteristics seemed to really upset the stability control, and he even had it kick in on a fast sweeping dual carriageway once! It went back and forth to BMW several times for geometry checks etc, but nothing cured it, the problem gradually got less as the tyres wore down but he's since changed back to Conti's and its absolutely fine.
It's an E36 so there's no traction control rubbish to worry about. 
I had the F1s on a 328 previously and they went from grip to slip quite gently IMO, but they wore terribly on track. I wonder if the Toyos would be any better. I heard that they had quite stiff sidewalls and therefore would be very well suited to track/performance work.
I had the F1s on a 328 previously and they went from grip to slip quite gently IMO, but they wore terribly on track. I wonder if the Toyos would be any better. I heard that they had quite stiff sidewalls and therefore would be very well suited to track/performance work.
Edited by bennyboysvuk on Monday 29th January 14:41
bennyboysvuk said:
I heard that they had quite stiff sidewalls and therefore would be very well suited to track/performance work.
Funny I've heard they have a soft sidewall? The TVR Griffiths and Chim's were fitted with Bridgestone SO2's which were unanimously liked. Bridgestone replaced these with the SO3 which no one liked and people turned to Toyos because they had a softer sidewall than the SO3. Can't speak with any knowledge of how they are on BMWs though as TVRs weigh around a tonne whereas I guess BMWs are one and half tonnes and weight will play an important part i.e. someone saying a tyre is great on an Elsie doesn't mean it'll be great on a saloon. StevieS said:
The T1R's are great... when it's cold and/or wet. They are one of the best tyres I've used in the wet. However, if it's dry and +7 degrees and you drive the car in a 'spirited' manner, I find they overheat quite badly. They've been great this winter though.
They are a great tyre for road use in the winter but their weak sidewall and relatively small block seem to lead to them overheating very quickly on track. I have managed to get three trackdays out of a practically new set on the scoob and only by rotating them a lot, running them backwards and pumping them up around 5lbs above road pressures. rustybin said:
StevieS said:
The T1R's are great... when it's cold and/or wet. They are one of the best tyres I've used in the wet. However, if it's dry and +7 degrees and you drive the car in a 'spirited' manner, I find they overheat quite badly. They've been great this winter though.
They are a great tyre for road use in the winter but their weak sidewall and relatively small block seem to lead to them overheating very quickly on track. I have managed to get three trackdays out of a practically new set on the scoob and only by rotating them a lot, running them backwards and pumping them up around 5lbs above road pressures. Maybe I'd best go for the Goodyears after all...or is there another option??? Edited to add - Oops, logged in on the GF's laptop and hence her login too.
Edited by specialk0604 on Monday 29th January 21:36
You may want to consider a spare set of rims with your track rubber on. When you take into account the amount you save by getting a more track focused and thus longer lasting tyre, it pays for the rims pretty quickly and you don't have to worry about driving illegally on the road. I rcently bought a second hand set of Pirelli shod OZ Rims for less than four new Toyos would have cost.
StevieS said:
The T1R's are great... when it's cold and/or wet. They are one of the best tyres I've used in the wet. However, if it's dry and +7 degrees and you drive the car in a 'spirited' manner, I find they overheat quite badly. They've been great this winter though.
How depressing. I've just shod my E34 M5 with T1-Rs and it's much better than the F1 was, but what you're saying makes it sound like I'll definitely be getting some R888's and spare rims for the 'ring.
bennyboysvuk said:
Ahh, I've just bought a set of BBS something or others that are approximately 2kg per corner lighter than my current wheels. I just can't afford 888s though. I think they were around £180 a corner for my car. Scary money.
How about something a little more budget Silverstones or Colways depending on size availability? Afterall if your trying to have fun rather than set a lap time, balance and consistent wear is more improtant than ultimate grip.
rustybin said:
StevieS said:
The T1R's are great... when it's cold and/or wet. They are one of the best tyres I've used in the wet. However, if it's dry and +7 degrees and you drive the car in a 'spirited' manner, I find they overheat quite badly. They've been great this winter though.
They are a great tyre for road use in the winter but their weak sidewall and relatively small block seem to lead to them overheating very quickly on track. I have managed to get three trackdays out of a practically new set on the scoob and only by rotating them a lot, running them backwards and pumping them up around 5lbs above road pressures. Are you sure you're not talking about T1-Ss, though? The T1-R has a much stiffer sidewall than the F1's.
spokey said:
rustybin said:
StevieS said:
The T1R's are great... when it's cold and/or wet. They are one of the best tyres I've used in the wet. However, if it's dry and +7 degrees and you drive the car in a 'spirited' manner, I find they overheat quite badly. They've been great this winter though.
They are a great tyre for road use in the winter but their weak sidewall and relatively small block seem to lead to them overheating very quickly on track. I have managed to get three trackdays out of a practically new set on the scoob and only by rotating them a lot, running them backwards and pumping them up around 5lbs above road pressures. Are you sure you're not talking about T1-Ss, though? The T1-R has a much stiffer sidewall than the F1's.
) rustybin said:
bennyboysvuk said:
Ahh, I've just bought a set of BBS something or others that are approximately 2kg per corner lighter than my current wheels. I just can't afford 888s though. I think they were around £180 a corner for my car. Scary money.
How about something a little more budget Silverstones or Colways depending on size availability? Afterall if your trying to have fun rather than set a lap time, balance and consistent wear is more improtant than ultimate grip.
Nice idea though. The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning towards just tossing a coin to decide.
I went from REO11s on my old Impreza WRX to F1s and the level of grip in both the wet and the dry was amazing. The slightly worrying thing was the amount of wear they appeared to suffer on dry roads. Then again imprezas are known for eating tyre shoulders so its not the much of a surprise. I'd go for the F1s personally.
If you want tyres which are incredibly sticky in the dry have a look at REO70s. My current Impreza is fitted with them and they stick like shit to a blanket. However, in the wet they are terrifying
If you want tyres which are incredibly sticky in the dry have a look at REO70s. My current Impreza is fitted with them and they stick like shit to a blanket. However, in the wet they are terrifying
Getting back to the original question there's a Nice Man from Black Circles in the car park at the moment fitting a set of T1Rs to my wife's MGF at the moment. if they turn out to work as well as this link www.mgf.ultimatemg.com/group2/tyres/index.htm suggests I'll be a happy bunny...
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