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Get one of these, you wont have more fun in a sub £6000 car. When you get a few extra quid you can upgrade to hearts contant too! 
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if it was me.
i would get the impreza.
the EVO 4's do suffer occassionally from "crank walk".
but my main concern would be the AYC system. these cars are now over 10 years old!!
early 4's diff box can fail and needing to change the oil every 4,500 miles @ £250 a time. that could be 3 times a year!!
its common to get a box from the 5/6/7's coz they were better ( as was the later 5/6/7 engines )
for a dedicated track car it could proove rather costly.
the scooby might also suffer from big end failure if over boosted or too much over stock power.
unfortunately both will need to be run on at least 97 ron fuel too.
maybe looking for something like an M3?
a very well balanced car. and with smooth linear power delivery ( no boost issues ) and a strong well built engine too.
if you want 4wd specifically, and 2 litres is all you want, go for a sunny pulsar.
plenty on the GTi-ROC knocking on 350bhp for about £4,000.
i would guess you would need about 400+ bhp from a scooby/EVO to keep up?
which tracks will you be using? cadwell?
if so, you seriously don't need a lot of power!!
small and light is the key there!!
a friend with a 550bhp R32 GTR had track kitted pug 205's all over him there!!
his boost didn't kick in until 5,500 rpm. by the time it did it was time to brake and change gear again.
you really want torque and low down grunt for cadwell.
my local circuit being snetterton, i need all the power i can get!! and all the brakes too!!
i would get the impreza.
the EVO 4's do suffer occassionally from "crank walk".
but my main concern would be the AYC system. these cars are now over 10 years old!!
early 4's diff box can fail and needing to change the oil every 4,500 miles @ £250 a time. that could be 3 times a year!!
its common to get a box from the 5/6/7's coz they were better ( as was the later 5/6/7 engines )
for a dedicated track car it could proove rather costly.
the scooby might also suffer from big end failure if over boosted or too much over stock power.
unfortunately both will need to be run on at least 97 ron fuel too.
maybe looking for something like an M3?
a very well balanced car. and with smooth linear power delivery ( no boost issues ) and a strong well built engine too.
if you want 4wd specifically, and 2 litres is all you want, go for a sunny pulsar.
plenty on the GTi-ROC knocking on 350bhp for about £4,000.
i would guess you would need about 400+ bhp from a scooby/EVO to keep up?
which tracks will you be using? cadwell?
if so, you seriously don't need a lot of power!!
small and light is the key there!!
a friend with a 550bhp R32 GTR had track kitted pug 205's all over him there!!
his boost didn't kick in until 5,500 rpm. by the time it did it was time to brake and change gear again.
you really want torque and low down grunt for cadwell.
my local circuit being snetterton, i need all the power i can get!! and all the brakes too!!
Edited by jimminy cricket on Sunday 14th January 06:55
Edited by jimminy cricket on Sunday 14th January 06:57
If i hand that sort of money to spend i don't think i'd buy a 4 wheel drive turbo chraged car, At then end of the day your going to be driving the car hard so i'd want something simple which was less lightly to cost me money. The 205 gti's are ideal as they take alot of abuse, there light so standard brakes are more likely to be up to the job and if the worsed happens a new engine can be found for £100.
I've track a 1.6 gti (with uprated suspension, stripped and caged), a standard E30 M3 and a Standard E36 M3 and i prefered driving the pug. The E36 had problems with the brakes getting hot very quickly which i understand could be a problem on an inpreza (I think i'm correect in thinking the UK impreza has brake suitable for not much more than a nova).
The E30 M3 was pritty good but if i was to use it as a regular track car the suspension and brakes would need uprating.
I've track a 1.6 gti (with uprated suspension, stripped and caged), a standard E30 M3 and a Standard E36 M3 and i prefered driving the pug. The E36 had problems with the brakes getting hot very quickly which i understand could be a problem on an inpreza (I think i'm correect in thinking the UK impreza has brake suitable for not much more than a nova).
The E30 M3 was pritty good but if i was to use it as a regular track car the suspension and brakes would need uprating.
M3Pilot - interested in what you have to say. I'm toying with buying an E30 M3. It will be a second car, but really considering it because I want to start doing track days in something that gives real 'feel'. From what I've read you can learn to drive properly in one of these cars - is that romantic myth or a fair summary?
You can learn or be taught to drive properly in any car, however i have a love of E30 M3's so my opinion may seem biased - but they are brilliant and you get a real feel for what is happening underneath you.
I think its also worth considering a 944 S2, reliable, fast and with 50/50 weight distribution shoud give simillar feel to the old M3. I mean they arent to different really to a 968 club sport whcih is reveered as one the best handling cars ever.
pikey
I think its also worth considering a 944 S2, reliable, fast and with 50/50 weight distribution shoud give simillar feel to the old M3. I mean they arent to different really to a 968 club sport whcih is reveered as one the best handling cars ever.
pikey
I think the E30 is more fun to drive than the E36 as it had much better turn in and the E36 understeered a bit to much having said that the E36 is 120 BHP up on the E30 so was ulitmately quicker. It all depends on what you want from a track day, fun or to be the quickest guy round the track.
If it wasn't for the fact i'd cry if i crashed it i would consider uprating the suspension and brakes and using the M3 kore often. The other thing which does slightly put me off is that if during the corse of thrashing the hell out of it for the day i blew the engine up i'm looking at a bill of between £1,500 - 3,000 to replace it.
I think the possibility of getting a large bill would be what would put me off an expencive performace car over using a hot hatch.
If it wasn't for the fact i'd cry if i crashed it i would consider uprating the suspension and brakes and using the M3 kore often. The other thing which does slightly put me off is that if during the corse of thrashing the hell out of it for the day i blew the engine up i'm looking at a bill of between £1,500 - 3,000 to replace it.
I think the possibility of getting a large bill would be what would put me off an expencive performace car over using a hot hatch.
For that money have a go in a rx7 fd series, the car weighs about 1150 kg has a 50/50 weight split, superb brakes and goes like hell.You could even pick up a single turbo converted car for that sort of money with around 350 @ wheels.I have a 1400cc busa powered mk and would sooner take the mazda on the track.
Edited by cwin on Wednesday 17th January 18:23
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