TRACKDAYS CAN GO WRONG with VIDEO

[t5nyw]

This was not my first Trackday and still doing them in my Scoob but when you get cocky and start to throw the car around your abilty is not as good as you thought Total driver error

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This was Japfest2004 at Castle Coombe in my Subaru a little bit of Driver error on my Part but at least I do my learning on the track.
The car was drove the 70 miles home faultlessly The tyrewall did its Job well causing mainly cosmetic damage. My mates wife, who was passenger was totally unhurt and has been out with me since

BTW it cost the Insurance about £10k to put right good job had protected NCB

Tony

[oola]

t5nyw said:

This was not my first Trackday and still doing them in my Scoob but when you get cocky and start to throw the car around your abilty is not as good as you thought Total driver error

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This was Japfest2004 at Castle Coombe in my Subaru a little bit of Driver error on my Part but at least I do my learning on the track.
The car was drove the 70 miles home faultlessly The tyrewall did its Job well causing mainly cosmetic damage. My mates wife, who was passenger was totally unhurt and has been out with me since


BTW it cost the Insurance about £10k to put right good job had protected NCB

Tony

Without wanting to sound like a c**t, WTF were you overtaking on the right?!

Edited by oola on Friday 15th September 14:15

[stig]

And overtaking on the right into Folly (there's a reason it's called that).

Not feeling a lot of sympathy here...

Hope you've got thick skin and fireproof's on

Edited by stig on Friday 15th September 14:22

[muckymotor]

Just out of interest, how much was the track cover and what was the excess?

[t5nyw]

oola said:

Without wanting to sound like a c**t, WTF were you overtaking on the right?!

LOL because on Trackdays at Castle Coombe Overtaking is ONLY allowed on the right

I agree is abnormal, as most Right handed Circuits i've driven, Oulton, Siverstone, Donington and Brands are overtaking on the Left so faster Car retains the racing line.

I think Bedford Autodrome is the only left handed Circuit i've been on and that annoyingly is left hand ovetaking. IMHO would be better on the right.

Regards

Tony

[BadgerBenji]

Drove at castle coombe last weekend, that puzzled me no end the over take on the right, I think they think it makes it safer as it mimics the road, but as a trackday regular and fresh returned from the 'ring' it seemed altogether wrong.

Edited by BadgerBenji on Friday 15th September 16:18

[t5nyw]

stig said:

And overtaking on the right into Folly (there's a reason it's called that).

Not feeling a lot of sympathy here...

Hope you've got thick skin and fireproof's on

Yep quite thick skinned as said above overtaking on the RIGHT only and certainly wasn't looking for any sympathy.

muckymotor said:

Just out of interest, how much was the track cover and what was the excess?

I have used eaggar lawson Cometitive Car Insurance depending on amount covered and excess about £150-200 a day. You'd need to cover about 50% value of your Car as cover is limited.

My road insurance Liverpool Victoria it covers me on the track as long as it's not a timed advent. I have fully Protected NCB with £500 excess.

BadgerBenji said:

Drove at castle coombe last weekend, that puzzled me no end the over take on the right, I think they think it makes it safer as it mimics the road, but as a trackday regular and fresh returned from the 'ring' it seemed altogether wrong.

Agreed been to the ring 3 times great isn't it.

Tony

[jeremyc]

BadgerBenji said:

Drove at castle coombe last weekend, that puzzled me no end the over take on the right, I think they think it makes it safer as it mimics the road, but as a trackday regular and fresh returned from the 'ring' it seemed altogether wrong.

It is because the pit lane enters the track from the left hand side (and in the middle of the straight ); the thinking is that by having overtaking on the right it is made safer for cars entering the circuit.

[BadgerBenji]

jeremyc said:

BadgerBenji said:

Drove at castle coombe last weekend, that puzzled me no end the over take on the right, I think they think it makes it safer as it mimics the road, but as a trackday regular and fresh returned from the 'ring' it seemed altogether wrong.

It is because the pit lane enters the track from the left hand side (and in the middle of the straight ); the thinking is that by having overtaking on the right it is made safer for cars entering the circuit.

Cadwell park enters and exits in the same manner, and they overtake on the left, no problems, just requires an alert marshall not to send you out into an oncoming car. If its on the straight, should drivers be going that far over to the pit lane exit, there is a line that trys to seperate traffic, its not that big an issue, to warrant overtaking on the right imho.

[jeremyc]

BadgerBenji said:

jeremyc said:

BadgerBenji said:

Drove at castle coombe last weekend, that puzzled me no end the over take on the right, I think they think it makes it safer as it mimics the road, but as a trackday regular and fresh returned from the 'ring' it seemed altogether wrong.

It is because the pit lane enters the track from the left hand side (and in the middle of the straight ); the thinking is that by having overtaking on the right it is made safer for cars entering the circuit.

Cadwell park enters and exits in the same manner, and they overtake on the left, no problems, just requires an alert marshall not to send you out into an oncoming car. If its on the straight, should drivers be going that far over to the pit lane exit, there is a line that trys to seperate traffic, its not that big an issue, to warrant overtaking on the right imho.

The same is true of Donington, but I'd say that neither have pit lanes that enter a part of the circuit that is as fast as at Castle Combe.

The line at Combe is to be on the left hand side of the circuit at the point of the pit lane entry - the last thing that is needed is one car overtaking on the left at that point at the same time another is exiting the pits. Sure a pit lane marshall might be able to anticipate this, but why add that risk?

And if you can't remember which side to overtake on when driving a track day, you're not concentrating hard enough.

[combemarshal]

Combe has overtaking on the Right as it is the same as on the road, and most people who use the track are novices so it makes sense not to confuse them even more!!
Did you get a warning after that sesion, If not it was only probably because they felt sorry for your car!!
You should have floored it when it got bad, would have pulled you out of that no problem.

[oola]

I would crash there as I'm used to overtaking on the left! I've used Eggar Lawson ... luckily not had to make a claim though, yet ...

[theboyfold]

Sorry to hear about your prang, what did you to get it out of shape like that?

[t5nyw]

combemarshal said:

Did you get a warning after that sesion, If not it was only probably because they felt sorry for your car!!

No I didn't but they said they wouldn't let me out for my last session because of the damage.

combemarshal said:

You should have floored it when it got bad, would have pulled you out of that no problem.

The UK Scoob 4WD in the Crash had fixed centre diff giving approx 60%Front and 40% Rear IIRC my last 2 Scoobs have had DCCD.

It was floored the Main problem was my inexperience in have the Car "out of control" and I hadn't removed the opposite lock quick enough by a long way. The should have been driven simulary to a Front wheel drive car. Once opposite lock has checked the slide front wheels should have been aiming up the Track pulling me out of the corner. As the wheels were facing the Tyre wall that's where 300bhp took me.

I have done some Driver Training with Andy Walsh @ 1stlotus and a few driver training days @ Prodrive since and replicated the same incident but saved it.

So the moral is get Trained first it much cheaper

Tony

[bad_roo]

True. The only thing that's going to damage your car in that situation is front wheels pointing left.

Spinning to a halt in the middle of a circuit is preferable to taking to the wall. But you know that now.

[combemarshal]

t5nyw said:

combemarshal said:

Did you get a warning after that sesion, If not it was only probably because they felt sorry for your car!!

No I didn't but they said they wouldn't let me out for my last session because of the damage.

combemarshal said:

You should have floored it when it got bad, would have pulled you out of that no problem.

The UK Scoob 4WD in the Crash had fixed centre diff giving approx 60%Front and 40% Rear IIRC my last 2 Scoobs have had DCCD.

It was floored the Main problem was my inexperience in have the Car "out of control" and I hadn't removed the opposite lock quick enough by a long way. The should have been driven simulary to a Front wheel drive car. Once opposite lock has checked the slide front wheels should have been aiming up the Track pulling me out of the corner. As the wheels were facing the Tyre wall that's where 300bhp took me.

I have done some Driver Training with Andy Walsh @ 1stlotus and a few driver training days @ Prodrive since and replicated the same incident but saved it.

So the moral is get Trained first it much cheaper

Tony

LOL!!
I guess you'd need a crash that lasted half an hour to get through all that!!!

[t5nyw]

bad_roo said:

True. The only thing that's going to damage your car in that situation is front wheels pointing left.

.... But you know that now.

See thats exactly what I meant to write instead of the 200 words of garble

combemarshal said:

LOL!!
I guess you'd need a crash that lasted half an hour to get through all that!!!

PMSL just read it myself must get a new Keyboard, keeps on writing Cr4p

Tony

[Dakkon]

I watched you do that real and was thinking ouch all over again.

My mate has it on his cam corder I believe, though he may well have deleted it by now.

And yes at Combe you overtake on the right on these action days.

[alicrozier]

jeremyc said:

The same is true of Donington, but I'd say that neither have pit lanes that enter a part of the circuit that is as fast as at Castle Combe.

The line at Combe is to be on the left hand side of the circuit at the point of the pit lane entry - the last thing that is needed is one car overtaking on the left at that point at the same time another is exiting the pits. Sure a pit lane marshall might be able to anticipate this, but why add that risk?

And if you can't remember which side to overtake on when driving a track day, you're not concentrating hard enough.

Knockhill is the same, pit entry from the left onto the line at probably the fastest part of the circuit. Not (usually) still overtaking there though as it's close to the braking zone.

I regularly have cars let out in front of me there, usually happens 2 or 3 times per trackday. You then have to decide if you can brake enough or just stuff it up the inside of him into Duffus...and argue with the pitlane marshall later.

[jezza l]

Nice of the crowd to cheer when someone's pride and joy has just been stuffed in to the wall

Edite to say. Rockingham is also overtake on the left.

Edited by jezza l on Tuesday 19th September 12:54