Bruntingthorpe Sat 29th March
Discussion
Just got an email through about this event
"Bruntingthorpe TVR Track Event"
More than Just A Track Day.
Something for everyone - even if you don’t own a TVR!
TMS and Guglielmi Motorsport would like to invite TVR Car Club members to Bruntingthorpe Proving Ground on the 29th March. If you have never been on a track day before then now is the time to try. Special attention will be placed on track day novices with tuition and advice freely available.
With instructors on hand all day, including Steve Guglielmi (2002 Tuscan Champion) you will have a great opportunity to learn the skills required to drive on a circuit. Also available at the end of the day will be 2-3 runs on the 2-mile straight.
For those who do not want to take part in the track day then why not come along and take part in the other events running through-out the day including:
- The chance to try out the latest TVR models on a separate part of the circuit.
- A low speed auto-test – you can take part in any make of car.
- A concours area.
- Experience the track day circuit as a passenger in various race cars.
- Have a drive down the 2-mile straight at the end of the day, again in any car.
The cost: (all prices inclusive of VAT).
Track day participants £90 per car and one driver
Additional drivers £25 each.
Non-track day participants £15 per car and one driver.
Additional driver / passengers £5 each.
Children under 16 years free.
Non-track day participants are advised to arrive by 10am as access may be restricted after this time.
Bruntingthorpe details:
8-8.30 Sign on for track day participants.
8.30 – 10.00 Drivers briefing and low speed familiarisation runs on circuit.
10.00 – 3.30 Circuit open
3.30 Circuit closes
4.00 – 5.30 2-mile straight open
5.30 Close
To book just call Marie at TMS on 01664 481 065.
Looks interesting, so who's up for it?
"Bruntingthorpe TVR Track Event"
More than Just A Track Day.
Something for everyone - even if you don’t own a TVR!
TMS and Guglielmi Motorsport would like to invite TVR Car Club members to Bruntingthorpe Proving Ground on the 29th March. If you have never been on a track day before then now is the time to try. Special attention will be placed on track day novices with tuition and advice freely available.
With instructors on hand all day, including Steve Guglielmi (2002 Tuscan Champion) you will have a great opportunity to learn the skills required to drive on a circuit. Also available at the end of the day will be 2-3 runs on the 2-mile straight.
For those who do not want to take part in the track day then why not come along and take part in the other events running through-out the day including:
- The chance to try out the latest TVR models on a separate part of the circuit.
- A low speed auto-test – you can take part in any make of car.
- A concours area.
- Experience the track day circuit as a passenger in various race cars.
- Have a drive down the 2-mile straight at the end of the day, again in any car.
The cost: (all prices inclusive of VAT).
Track day participants £90 per car and one driver
Additional drivers £25 each.
Non-track day participants £15 per car and one driver.
Additional driver / passengers £5 each.
Children under 16 years free.
Non-track day participants are advised to arrive by 10am as access may be restricted after this time.
Bruntingthorpe details:
8-8.30 Sign on for track day participants.
8.30 – 10.00 Drivers briefing and low speed familiarisation runs on circuit.
10.00 – 3.30 Circuit open
3.30 Circuit closes
4.00 – 5.30 2-mile straight open
5.30 Close
To book just call Marie at TMS on 01664 481 065.
Looks interesting, so who's up for it?
Please note that Bruntingthorpe IS NOT A TVRCC organised event, but one organised by a dealer, namely TMS and Guglielmi Motorsport. I know that several club members are inloved in organisation and I would encourage people to attend what I'm sure will be an excellent event. However, since TMS and GM are the lead organisations here it SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AN OFFICIAL TVRCC EVENT. This means that the Club's public liability insurance does not cover the event and may restrict some people from being covered by their insurance company. It does not however stop anybody taking part.
Official TVRCC trackday dates will appear in Sprint next month along with an article designed to answer questions from trackday novices. Instructors will be available at all TVRCC events this season.
Bruce Smith
TVRCC
Deputy Trackday Co-ordinator
Official TVRCC trackday dates will appear in Sprint next month along with an article designed to answer questions from trackday novices. Instructors will be available at all TVRCC events this season.
Bruce Smith
TVRCC
Deputy Trackday Co-ordinator
Mr Blue,
As a TVRCC member myself, can you explain why this has not been either run or endorsed by the TVRCC club?
The appearnace of the advert on the TVRCC official website would suggest that the TVRCC club have endorsed this, a contradiction!!!!
Did TMS or Guglielmi Motorsport contract you before this event was made public to offer its running by the TVRCC?
If not, then please could you get involved next time, 'cos due to the overwhelming response to the day has had so far it would suggest that the TVRCC membership welcome such an event with open arms.
If you were asked prior to publication why have you in your wisdom not seen it fit to bring this event under the TVRCC umbrella, especially given that TMS are underwritting the cost of the day? Surely this is a win - win situation for all concerned, TMS/Guglielmi Motorsport, members and the TVRCC club.
As discussed at the recent TVRCC AGM, the committee welcomed closer ties with commercial concerns, especially those with so much to offer as TMS and Guglielmi Motorsport!!
What do other TVRCC members think?
The last vew is that with 2 days ticket sales some 40 spaces have already been sold!! A clear message from the TVRCC membership!!!!
I would welcome your response.
Thanks
Simon
As a TVRCC member myself, can you explain why this has not been either run or endorsed by the TVRCC club?
The appearnace of the advert on the TVRCC official website would suggest that the TVRCC club have endorsed this, a contradiction!!!!
Did TMS or Guglielmi Motorsport contract you before this event was made public to offer its running by the TVRCC?
If not, then please could you get involved next time, 'cos due to the overwhelming response to the day has had so far it would suggest that the TVRCC membership welcome such an event with open arms.
If you were asked prior to publication why have you in your wisdom not seen it fit to bring this event under the TVRCC umbrella, especially given that TMS are underwritting the cost of the day? Surely this is a win - win situation for all concerned, TMS/Guglielmi Motorsport, members and the TVRCC club.
As discussed at the recent TVRCC AGM, the committee welcomed closer ties with commercial concerns, especially those with so much to offer as TMS and Guglielmi Motorsport!!
What do other TVRCC members think?
The last vew is that with 2 days ticket sales some 40 spaces have already been sold!! A clear message from the TVRCC membership!!!!
I would welcome your response.
Thanks
Simon
I agree, I paid up thinking that it was fully endorsed by the Club
Spoke to TMS today and the line is that they will try this one out and then TVRCC might sponsor the next one -
miffed though because i clicked on the link via the Club site!
anyway paid now so i'm still going - but with plenty of masking tape!
Spoke to TMS today and the line is that they will try this one out and then TVRCC might sponsor the next one -
miffed though because i clicked on the link via the Club site!
anyway paid now so i'm still going - but with plenty of masking tape!
s_i_hunter said: I suggest you take this issue up with Bruce of the TVRCC.
If the event was endorsed all the issues would disappear.
Thanks
Simon
Not so sure that would be easy to arrange as the insurance is based on the day being run and controlled by TVRCC using its established format.
It is now apparent that this is not the case as this is a dealer run event.
Shame about the confusion.
I was considering the situation from the insurers point of view, i.e. Mannings. They explained that they will extend the policy of a TVRCC member to cover TVRCC organised trackdays because they have looked at the format of their days and are happy with the controls in place during the event. By contrast, you can find some very loosely managed trackdays which are potentially dangerous and obviously frighten insurance companies off.
From that respect, I don't think that the TVRCC could endorse any event that they do not directly control. Apart from the mandatory driver's briefing they normally provide some well thought out guidance notes and track rules / etiquette and require you to submit signed copies of indemnity and car trackworthiness (is that a word?) forms before each trackday. I have also known them to scrutinise your car before allowing you out on track. That sort of management of the event gives confidence.
One thought. I went on a couple of tuition days, sent the advertising/briefing detail to Mannings and they agreed to cover me for any time that the instructor was in the car. Worth a try with this event?
From that respect, I don't think that the TVRCC could endorse any event that they do not directly control. Apart from the mandatory driver's briefing they normally provide some well thought out guidance notes and track rules / etiquette and require you to submit signed copies of indemnity and car trackworthiness (is that a word?) forms before each trackday. I have also known them to scrutinise your car before allowing you out on track. That sort of management of the event gives confidence.
One thought. I went on a couple of tuition days, sent the advertising/briefing detail to Mannings and they agreed to cover me for any time that the instructor was in the car. Worth a try with this event?
Regarding Bruntinghthorpe.
I can understand the frustration felt by many members for whom the impression was created that this would be a TVRCC organised event and on behalf of the committee I apologise for this.
This situation has been created by miscommunication, both between members of the TVRCC committee and in particular by all those varied parties that have been involved in organising the event. The advert for the event SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PLACED ON THE CLUB WEBSITE without clearly stating that it was not a TVRCC event.
The decision arrived at by myself and Bernie Hartnett as the Club's trackday co-ordinators came about as follows.
1. The event was first described to us as a beginner’s trackday. It is not. Had the day been organised purely as a trackday aimed at beginners and including classroom tuition it is more likely that we would have classified the event as TVRCC. The presence of various other activities, in our opinion detracts from the potential benefits of a beginners trackday. The organisers chose not to follow my advice in this respect. However that is entirely their right as it is their day after all.
2. The event is being organised by a commercial and profit making body. The TVRCC is not the lead organiser. By making the event an official TVRCC event, the club's public liability insurance would come into effect, potentially exposing the Club to risk far greater than the mere financing of the event.
Over recent years Bernie and I have sought to provide members trackdays that are (in order of priority) safe, well organised and affordable.
Recently there have been incidents (one notably at Topcliffe) where organisers have not followed instructions properly and have exposed themselves and the Club to risk.
Sadly we live in an ever more litigious society, so we must minimise the risk to all. Making Bruntingthorpe a TVRCC event needlessly exposes the Club to risk at an event run by a for-profit business and not the Club.
Special provision will be made at all TVRCC trackdays this season for beginners and we hope that many of you will join us. Dates will be announced shortly in Sprint.
I hope that has cleared up the confusion.
Bruce Smith
Deputy Trackday Co-ordinator
TVRCC
Mr Blue said:
Regarding Bruntinghthorpe.
I can understand the frustration felt by many members for whom the impression was created that this would be a TVRCC organised event and on behalf of the committee I apologise for this.
This situation has been created by miscommunication, both between members of the TVRCC committee and in particular by all those varied parties that have been involved in organising the event. The advert for the event SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PLACED ON THE CLUB WEBSITE without clearly stating that it was not a TVRCC event.
The decision arrived at by myself and Bernie Hartnett as the Club's trackday co-ordinators came about as follows.
1. The event was first described to us as a beginner’s trackday. It is not. Had the day been organised purely as a trackday aimed at beginners and including classroom tuition it is more likely that we would have classified the event as TVRCC. The presence of various other activities, in our opinion detracts from the potential benefits of a beginners trackday. The organisers chose not to follow my advice in this respect. However that is entirely their right as it is their day after all.
2. The event is being organised by a commercial and profit making body. The TVRCC is not the lead organiser. By making the event an official TVRCC event, the club's public liability insurance would come into effect, potentially exposing the Club to risk far greater than the mere financing of the event.
Over recent years Bernie and I have sought to provide members trackdays that are (in order of priority) safe, well organised and affordable.
Recently there have been incidents (one notably at Topcliffe) where organisers have not followed instructions properly and have exposed themselves and the Club to risk.
Sadly we live in an ever more litigious society, so we must minimise the risk to all. Making Bruntingthorpe a TVRCC event needlessly exposes the Club to risk at an event run by a for-profit business and not the Club.
Special provision will be made at all TVRCC trackdays this season for beginners and we hope that many of you will join us. Dates will be announced shortly in Sprint.
I hope that has cleared up the confusion.
Bruce Smith
Deputy Trackday Co-ordinator
TVRCC
Bruce, it's a shame it didn't work out as a TVRCC event but I can see where you're coming from. Thanks for taking the time to explain your position to us, anyway. Look forward to seeing you at a TVRCC track day later in the year.
Best regards,
Peter Humphries (and a green V8S)
Competition car insurance do one off track day cover - but it's expensive. 0115 941 5255
Also - having been to Brunters twice - be SURE to tape up the front of your car - the back straight is *very* gritty.
(Hope I'm not hijacking this thread), but Hullavington is much kinder to the front of your car and although it lacks a 2 mile straight, track layout still allows for much 100+ mph driving. www.motorsport-events.co.uk do about 10 a year there.
Also - having been to Brunters twice - be SURE to tape up the front of your car - the back straight is *very* gritty.
(Hope I'm not hijacking this thread), but Hullavington is much kinder to the front of your car and although it lacks a 2 mile straight, track layout still allows for much 100+ mph driving. www.motorsport-events.co.uk do about 10 a year there.
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