Anglesey Circuit has banned all EVs/Hybrids from trackdays

[Lordbenny]

Interesting….

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[Cylon2007]

Presumably due to the 'potential' issues from crashing a car with fairly large / very large Lithium ion batteries and the possible fire risk etc etc.

[gtsralph]

Porsche Club has a no EV rule because of circuits lack of facilities for dealing with accidents involving high voltage systems and battery fires.

[BoRED S2upid]

gtsralph said:

Porsche Club has a no EV rule because of circuits lack of facilities for dealing with accidents involving high voltage systems and battery fires.

Makes sense you don’t want Marshalls / rescue crews getting zapped to death by a smashed up EV.

[Evanivitch]

BoRED S2upid said:

Makes sense you don’t want Marshalls / rescue crews getting zapped to death by a smashed up EV.

Typically, the battery is isolated the moment the 12V power is lost.

The issue is their fire equipment is intended for fuel fires, not the large amount of water needed for EV battery fires.

Some batteries like LFP (Tesla standard range, several Chinese cars) have far lower risk of thermal runaway.

[mmm-five]

But surely at Anglesey you'd just use the tractor to push it into the sea?

[hairy v]

mmm-five said:

But surely at Anglesey you'd just use the tractor to push it into the sea?

[simon_harris]

so no P1's, La Ferraris or Porsche 918 then?

[mac96]

I wonder what their definition of a hybrid is. If it includes mild hybrids, that rules out lots of current models; if it doesn't, the definition of what is a banned hybrid surely gets a bit tricky.

[Geoff39GL]

Evanivitch said:

Typically, the battery is isolated the moment the 12V power is lost.

The issue is their fire equipment is intended for fuel fires, not the large amount of water needed for EV battery fires.

Some batteries like LFP (Tesla standard range, several Chinese cars) have far lower risk of thermal runaway.

So its no problem if you have an accident on a motorway then ????

[Pica-Pica]

hairy v said:

mmm-five said:

But surely at Anglesey you'd just use the tractor to push it into the sea?

Or something from RAF Valley?

[Evanivitch]

Geoff39GL said:

So its no problem if you have an accident on a motorway then ????

The fire and rescue services have training and equipment for EVs.

[peterperkins]

Yep interesting and unfortunate..

Most early hybrids are non Lithium as well and use very safe and reliable old school Nimh technology.

CR-Z ZF1

Honda Insight ZE1

Prius etc

[SpudLink]

I don't know the economics of owning and running a track, but I imagine the margin's are pretty tight for a track like Anglesey. It wouldn't be a surprise if this was based on the cost of gearing up for an EV fire. A few years from now they may decide they have no choice, but for now there are enough ICE cars wanting to attend track days for them to kick the EV problem down the road.

[E-bmw]

peterperkins said:

CR-Z ZF1

Honda Insight ZE1

Prius etc

Lost count of the number of those I have seen on a track day.

[popeyewhite]

mac96 said:

I wonder what their definition of a hybrid is. If it includes mild hybrids..

Sometimes...

If it has a EV style chargeable battery of any kind it may take longer to extinguish a fire as another poster has stated.

[braddo]

hairy v said:

mmm-five said:

But surely at Anglesey you'd just use the tractor to push it into the sea?

[mac96]

popeyewhite said:

mac96 said:

I wonder what their definition of a hybrid is. If it includes mild hybrids..

Sometimes...

If it has a EV style chargeable battery of any kind it may take longer to extinguish a fire as another poster has stated.

Yes, I see the logic behind the ban. Just that most people would probably not describe, for example, a current basic petrol BMW X3 as a hybrid, even BMW don't make a thing of it - but they do have battery assistance. That's why I can see scope for argument about which vehicles are banned. Especially as the circuit website doesn't seem to mention this.

[Evanivitch]

mac96 said:

Yes, I see the logic behind the ban. Just that most people would probably not describe, for example, a current basic petrol BMW X3 as a hybrid, even BMW don't make a thing of it - but they do have battery assistance. That's why I can see scope for argument about which vehicles are banned. Especially as the circuit website doesn't seem to mention this.

That would be like asking then to differentiate between a Prius' NMH, lithium LFP and lithium non-LFP battery. They just won't.

[Lordbenny]

This is just the start….garages, body shops, car parks (especially the ones underneath housing/flats etc) anywhere where EVs are parked, stored or worked upon will have insurance and safety issues based on the fact that at present no fire extinguisher or sprinkler system can put a single EV fire out let alone numerous amounts of them.