Nurburgring Roll Call 16-17-18 September
Discussion
nice! not that I condone TF timing ;=) but if you get a clean track, see how far below the best recorded, non-Brabus Smoadster BTG time you can get.
BTW that time is 9:25. Mortals can aim for 9:30 (my best was 9:40, and not inclined to push too much harder!), the 9:25 was by Christer (VLN racer), who told me he'd never try to top it - among other bezerker moves, required taking SX flat :/
let us know how it goes please! Very curious how much the extra ~20 Brabus hp makes. I was just topping 140kph before mutkurve (130 at the exit), and 185 before SX.
cheers
Kurt
www.nurburgring.org.uk/who/details.php?u=167
BTW that time is 9:25. Mortals can aim for 9:30 (my best was 9:40, and not inclined to push too much harder!), the 9:25 was by Christer (VLN racer), who told me he'd never try to top it - among other bezerker moves, required taking SX flat :/
let us know how it goes please! Very curious how much the extra ~20 Brabus hp makes. I was just topping 140kph before mutkurve (130 at the exit), and 185 before SX.
cheers
Kurt
www.nurburgring.org.uk/who/details.php?u=167
bad_roo said:
I'm in. Probably with a Smart Roadster-Coupe BRABUS. Anyone else down?
I think it'll be too busy to go really quick but I'll see how it goes.
I actually quite like days when it is busier, as long as there aren't too many closures. There's a fun vibe in the paddock, the track is exciting and - let's not kid ourselves - few of us are going to set any records even if the track was clear.
Taking SX flat in a Smoadster is the act of an ill man! Thanks for the reference times though. I was wondering what sort of time was 'quick' in a Smart Roadster. I'll see if I can use my unfair horsepower advantage to claim the unofficial record.
>> Edited by bad_roo on Tuesday 23 August 17:05
I actually quite like days when it is busier, as long as there aren't too many closures. There's a fun vibe in the paddock, the track is exciting and - let's not kid ourselves - few of us are going to set any records even if the track was clear.
Taking SX flat in a Smoadster is the act of an ill man! Thanks for the reference times though. I was wondering what sort of time was 'quick' in a Smart Roadster. I'll see if I can use my unfair horsepower advantage to claim the unofficial record.
>> Edited by bad_roo on Tuesday 23 August 17:05
one good thing about hot NS laps in a smoadster, is that their absolute quickest is approx the same as a decent *average* NS driver in a 150+hp car, so even with heavy traffic you're not forced to make 15 passes per lap, or on the other hand have too much worry about being rammed up the a$$ by an Edo (except in Kesselchen - I guarantee you'll be looking in the mirror more than forward 
the Brabus should have the handy trip computer for timing, mine required a CD burned with a 12 minute song
important note: the non brabus should have slightly different shift points, but beware of that pesky auto-upshifting at redline. Very nearly caught me out going from 4-5 after aremberg, back end got very light in the middle of one of the fast switchbacks because I wasn't paying attention to the tach :/
Also a pain in Brünnchen - car will want to auto shift from 4-5 before B2, which will KILL your speed out of it, so I ended up lifting halfway down the short straight, and not braking at all for uphill right.
Other than that, Smoasters are GREAT fun on the NS)
it might not still be dl-able, but a very wet Smoady lap I did last year was hosted here:
www.smart-roadster-club.de/video/srlap.mpeg
Kurt
the Brabus should have the handy trip computer for timing, mine required a CD burned with a 12 minute song
important note: the non brabus should have slightly different shift points, but beware of that pesky auto-upshifting at redline. Very nearly caught me out going from 4-5 after aremberg, back end got very light in the middle of one of the fast switchbacks because I wasn't paying attention to the tach :/
Also a pain in Brünnchen - car will want to auto shift from 4-5 before B2, which will KILL your speed out of it, so I ended up lifting halfway down the short straight, and not braking at all for uphill right.
Other than that, Smoasters are GREAT fun on the NS
) it might not still be dl-able, but a very wet Smoady lap I did last year was hosted here:
www.smart-roadster-club.de/video/srlap.mpeg
Kurt
bad_roo said:
I think it'll be too busy to go really quick but I'll see how it goes.
I actually quite like days when it is busier, as long as there aren't too many closures. There's a fun vibe in the paddock, the track is exciting and - let's not kid ourselves - few of us are going to set any records even if the track was clear.
Taking SX flat in a Smoadster is the act of an ill man! Thanks for the reference times though. I was wondering what sort of time was 'quick' in a Smart Roadster. I'll see if I can use my unfair horsepower advantage to claim the unofficial record.
>> Edited by bad_roo on Tuesday 23 August 17:05
gutmann pug said:
I notice the MLR have a big trip planned too. Would have been nice to upset a few of them on track but it can wait 
Gary
Lancer Register?
Edited to add: No need to answer that! I'm just reading the big thread about it in their forum right now...
>> Edited by Alex on Wednesday 24th August 13:54
mild is right, that was really more a feeling of frustration for having to lift before mut-kurve; momentum is obviously the key!!
turn-in is great, despite the low-geared steering and relatively huge steering wheel. Overall feeling is very Opel Speedster-like, only with 1:2 the power, 3:4 the size, 1:1 the tires, and 5:1 the comfort
Dry laps were always TC full off, the one wet lap I did with it off found me quite sideways at the big downhill T13 left, with Ben Lovejoy in the passenger seat. Even 80hp can put you sideways on a wet NS if you're not careful with the throttle :/
You cen see it squirm a bit at the T13 chicane transition in the vid, but 90% sure I had the TC on for that lap.
BTW: there are 2 horizontal bars right behind the seats that is perfect for mounting a camcorder on
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kedelbach/detail?.dir=67b0&.dnm=7fc2.jpg&.src=ph
turn-in is great, despite the low-geared steering and relatively huge steering wheel. Overall feeling is very Opel Speedster-like, only with 1:2 the power, 3:4 the size, 1:1 the tires, and 5:1 the comfort
Dry laps were always TC full off, the one wet lap I did with it off found me quite sideways at the big downhill T13 left, with Ben Lovejoy in the passenger seat. Even 80hp can put you sideways on a wet NS if you're not careful with the throttle :/
You cen see it squirm a bit at the T13 chicane transition in the vid, but 90% sure I had the TC on for that lap.
BTW: there are 2 horizontal bars right behind the seats that is perfect for mounting a camcorder on
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kedelbach/detail?.dir=67b0&.dnm=7fc2.jpg&.src=ph
bad_roo said:
Kurt
Thanks for the tips. I downloaded the video - you must have had a mild scare when that Discovery looked like it was tempted to put the chop on you at Mutkurve! Trun-in looked pretty good on the car. Did you have the stability control system on?
kedelbach said:
BTW that time is 9:25. Mortals can aim for 9:30 (my best was 9:40, and not inclined to push too much harder!), the 9:25 was by Christer (VLN racer), who told me he'd never try to top it - among other bezerker moves, required taking SX flat :/
9.30 myself. Still tons of margin left, did not do to do SX flat. I think he did it on the 15inchers, and I did my time on 16s. Makes a big difference I guess. (both speed in the corners (less) and drag uphill (more speed on the 15s).
Stephane Clepkens did 9.18. Now THERE's a goal
Niek
wait a minute, since when do you ever leave "Tons of Margin"?!
Sure with some more confidence in the car I could have been relatively safe and faster through a few points (Höhe Acht in particular I know Kim took with just a lift, but I always tapped the brakes, and as ALWAYS I wuss out at the big left after Eschbach), but cannot fathom how that 9:18 was done...
Honestly, where the hell did he find those 12 seconds under yours?? In a fast car, I can see a 'good' driver beaten by 12 seconds vs. a "mental" driver, but most of the NS curves are taken flat in a Smoady!!
would love to see a vid from that lap...
have you sampled dog meat in Shanghai yet?
Kurt
>> Edited by kedelbach on Tuesday 30th August 13:16
Sure with some more confidence in the car I could have been relatively safe and faster through a few points (Höhe Acht in particular I know Kim took with just a lift, but I always tapped the brakes, and as ALWAYS I wuss out at the big left after Eschbach), but cannot fathom how that 9:18 was done...
Honestly, where the hell did he find those 12 seconds under yours?? In a fast car, I can see a 'good' driver beaten by 12 seconds vs. a "mental" driver, but most of the NS curves are taken flat in a Smoady!!
would love to see a vid from that lap...
have you sampled dog meat in Shanghai yet?
Kurt
NAS said:
kedelbach said:
BTW that time is 9:25. Mortals can aim for 9:30 (my best was 9:40, and not inclined to push too much harder!), the 9:25 was by Christer (VLN racer), who told me he'd never try to top it - among other bezerker moves, required taking SX flat :/
9.30 myself. Still tons of margin left, did not do to do SX flat. I think he did it on the 15inchers, and I did my time on 16s. Makes a big difference I guess. (both speed in the corners (less) and drag uphill (more speed on the 15s).
Stephane Clepkens did 9.18. Now THERE's a goal
Niek
>> Edited by kedelbach on Tuesday 30th August 13:16
kedelbach said:
wait a minute, since when do you ever leave "Tons of Margin"?!
Since Easter 2002
Seriously, I could see where I could improve. A lift here and there is not needed and anticipating the gearbox a bit better would help a lot as well.
Man, I can't wait to go back
No dog meat yet, I hope.......
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