Open face helmets

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triplecrownjockey

Original Poster:

61 posts

32 months

Friday 23rd December 2022
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I normally wear a traditional style helmet for track days, but I feel the sound deadening and full face enclosure dulls the senses somewhat.

I'm pretty sure the weight has also contributed to me pulling a neck muscle on a least two occasions!

Would switching to an open-face helmet improve things? Something like this: https://gsmperformance.co.uk/product/omp-star-helm...



It might make me look a bit uglier, but I'm hoping it's an improvement. Has anyone had similar experiences?

E-bmw

9,826 posts

158 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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Well, you will have just as much sound-deadening around the ears so that won't change, and I'll bet there are open face helmets that are heavier than full face helmets, so if that is your issue, perhaps weight and weight alone should be your criteria for choosing your next helmet.

Not saying it will be heavier, just that you need to check and perhaps also consider a seat with "wings".

Pebbles167

3,720 posts

158 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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Helmets vary massively in weight depending on brand, shell size, construction material etc, both for open face and full face. A full carbon X-Lite for instance will be far lighter than a big old fibreglass Arai.

I prefer an open face in a car, and I have the very helmet you've posted, albeit in white. It works fine, I even wear it on my bike for nipping to town. Not bad for the £50 or so I paid.

Neck strain can be amplified if you're not using bucket seats/harness, although in my experience the stress is focused more in the arms, legs and back in that case.

Unfortunately the helmet makes you look like the great Gazoo, but I'll suffer that for the cooler more open feel. Observe:



Edited by Pebbles167 on Saturday 24th December 09:16

Cambs_Stuart

3,057 posts

90 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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If you're worried about looks go for one of these. People won't even realize you're wearing one.


Krikkit

26,919 posts

187 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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I had an OMP star as well, decent enough. Much prefer a full face mind, although mine are better budget ones I also bike in

Kev_Mk3

2,897 posts

101 months

Saturday 24th December 2022
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I have that helmet pictured. Have to say its great. I went from Full to open face helmet as I've been struggling with sinus issues and motion sickness the last year and best thing I did going open face can breath a lot better - also less weight on my neck

TrotCanterGallopCharge

433 posts

96 months

Sunday 25th December 2022
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Just note, that technically, not all tracks/organisers accept motorcycle helmets, despite some suppliers stating this type is 'suitable for trackdays'.

When I was looking into this, circuits/venues gave a vague 'it must be suitable for the event' type comment, & put it back to the Trackday Organisers. The Trackday organisers had differing requirements. Most wanted a helmet that was a different classification (higher?) than a motorcycle helmet (i.e suitable for Motorsport, but these are a lot more expensive).

In practice, my Trackday Organiser didn't enforce their own rules (there was a quick visual check to see if it looked new/good condition), & motorcycle helmet used, but then if they/others did enforce rules, you'd be banned from the day (unless one available for hire).

Also, you need a full face helmet if your car doesn't have a windscreen.


Krikkit

26,919 posts

187 months

Monday 26th December 2022
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Never had an issue with bike helmets and UK providers, but there's a possibility they could want FIA 2015 standard lids.

Pebbles167

3,720 posts

158 months

Tuesday 27th December 2022
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Krikkit said:
Never had an issue with bike helmets and UK providers, but there's a possibility they could want FIA 2015 standard lids.
I'd imagine that'll only be on the rich person days that sometimes run, where supercars are the norm.

90% of people on your standard track day are using a bike helmet, or a cheap car helmet. They're fit for purpose and the entry price is low. I doubt that'll change unless HANS becomes mandatory.

TrotCanterGallopCharge

433 posts

96 months

Tuesday 27th December 2022
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Pebbles167 said:
Krikkit said:
Never had an issue with bike helmets and UK providers, but there's a possibility they could want FIA 2015 standard lids.
I'd imagine that'll only be on the rich person days that sometimes run, where supercars are the norm.

90% of people on your standard track day are using a bike helmet, or a cheap car helmet. They're fit for purpose and the entry price is low. I doubt that'll change unless HANS becomes mandatory.
No, the requirement for a Motorsport Helmet from my Organiser wasn't for a rich person day. Me & my shared cheapo car couldn't get on those! Perhaps an insurance thing for the organiser, or parties not being bothered getting regulatory changes/red tape, but I couldn't find an Organiser (at least on sites I looked at) that said 'motorcycle helmets are ok'.

I'd agree that a lot of motorcycle helmets are used, & you'd think they would be ok.

Elderly

3,534 posts

244 months

Tuesday 27th December 2022
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TrotCanterGallopCharge said:
I'd agree that a lot of motorcycle helmets are used, & you'd think they would be ok.
They are designed for different kinds of impact.
I have seen a well explained article on the ‘net somewhere ……….

Krikkit

26,919 posts

187 months

Tuesday 27th December 2022
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I struggle to believe that a MIPS-equipped and SHARP 5* bike lid will be realistically different compared to a non-FHR FIA lid.

That said, harness + FHR is the way if you're getting serious about track safety.

Pebbles167

3,720 posts

158 months

Tuesday 27th December 2022
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Elderly said:
They are designed for different kinds of impact.
I have seen a well explained article on the ‘net somewhere ……….
It's true for sure, at least for motorsport. But when you have a crash in a car without a cage, using a standard seatbelt, the difference between a car helmet and a bike one probably won't make many odds.

nismo48

4,240 posts

213 months

Wednesday 28th December 2022
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Always used open face, free flowing air and non restrictive is their advantagesmile

TrotCanterGallopCharge

433 posts

96 months

Wednesday 28th December 2022
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Pebbles167 said:
Elderly said:
They are designed for different kinds of impact.
I have seen a well explained article on the ‘net somewhere ……….
It's true for sure, at least for motorsport. But when you have a crash in a car without a cage, using a standard seatbelt, the difference between a car helmet and a bike one probably won't make many odds.
Quite possibly, but some motorcycle helmets are(were a couple of years ago when I looked) only £25, you'd hope the more expensive/motorsport grade full face crash helmets would protect you a lot more, & again better than an open face. No data to compare though.

Krikkit

26,919 posts

187 months

Wednesday 28th December 2022
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Lots of articles explaining it as basically
1/ Fire
2/ "Impact" (unspecified) and abrasion Vs no abrasion

Given bike helmets undergo impact testing I'd say you've got it covered for anything not fitted with extinguishers!

cedrichn

812 posts

57 months

Wednesday 28th December 2022
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TrotCanterGallopCharge said:
Also, you need a full face helmet if your car doesn't have a windscreen.
Isn't it "if your car doesn't have a roof up" ?

I do trackdays in an MX5, and would prefer to use an open face helmet if I was allowed to. But I prefer full face and roof down to open face and roof up biggrin

BrotherMouzone

3,169 posts

180 months

Wednesday 28th December 2022
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TrotCanterGallopCharge said:
No, the requirement for a Motorsport Helmet from my Organiser wasn't for a rich person day. Me & my shared cheapo car couldn't get on those! Perhaps an insurance thing for the organiser, or parties not being bothered getting regulatory changes/red tape, but I couldn't find an Organiser (at least on sites I looked at) that said 'motorcycle helmets are ok'.

I'd agree that a lot of motorcycle helmets are used, & you'd think they would be ok.
Who’s the TDO?

Dynion Araf Uchaf

4,635 posts

229 months

Wednesday 28th December 2022
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That looks like the cheapest helmet on earth. I wouldn’t put it on my cock ‘as protection’.

TrotCanterGallopCharge

433 posts

96 months

Thursday 29th December 2022
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cedrichn said:
TrotCanterGallopCharge said:
Also, you need a full face helmet if your car doesn't have a windscreen.
Isn't it "if your car doesn't have a roof up" ?

I do trackdays in an MX5, and would prefer to use an open face helmet if I was allowed to. But I prefer full face and roof down to open face and roof up biggrin
I think I'm still correct. This was based on a full face helmet will have a visor & lower face protection, which will protect the face against oil/liquids being thrown towards the face (from a car in front, or your own). With open face crash helmets, some may not have a visor as an aftermarket option, just a peak.

You may have been with an Organiser who requested what you state, they all have their differences, same as with roll over protection.