Racebox Mini on track days if out of sight?

[Hates_]

I do not want to run a timer while driving on track, but I'd love to be able to see some of the metrics and analysis of my lines/laps once back home. I'm getting lots of ads for the Racebox Mini, which seems to fit the bill but requires a constant connection to a phone.

How do TDOs view running one, or any other device if the app is out of sight? I suspect in the event of an incident, it becomes difficult to prove whether I did or did not have it visible at the time.

Ultimately I am timing myself, even if I don't know what the times are while on track, but same could be said if I video myself and calculate it after the day. I want to stay honest with the rules set by the TDO, so if it's falling into a grey area, then I may just leave it. Or maybe I am just overthinking it?

[ThisInJapanese]

I'd be interested in this as well, as lots of people do data logging, and I'm not sure how that differs from timing.

MSVs T&Cs (https://shop.msv.com/About/TermsAndConditions/MSVT) say:
- No timekeeping or pace making of any sort is allowed on the track day.
Interestingly the bike regulations are more descriptive, but unfortunately the terms timekeeping and pace making aren't defined.

Can't see anything obvious on Javelin's website and the links to the docs for the days I've done with them this year no longer work.

Goldtrack show a video of a car on a track day with data logging: https://www.goldtrack.co.uk/track-days/brands-hatc...

In summary, I have no idea! I guess it's a case of being sensible in how you record, but something tells me that for the TDO it's a significant disclaimer in their insurance that it's not a timed racing event.

Would be really interested to know a more informed answer though...

[Hates_]

I've had clarification from Lotus on Track. If it's collecting data and thus timing, it is not permitted. Visible or not. Gives me £200 to spend on something else then

[Krikkit]

Presumably then taking any video isn't permitted, because with enough effort you could time that too.

[PJ_Parsons]

It’s not against the rules if you don’t get caught. Using a dedicated timing device like a Vbox, it is obvious timing is occurring. So use, a cell phone with Race Chrono and a Garmin Glo to make the timing accurate. You can video your laps within the rules. As long as you are respecting others on the track and not broadcasting that you are timing, by sharing videos publicly, nobody will bother you. Be discrete as the nature of a track day as opposed to a test day is that no timing is occurring.

[TrotCanterGallopCharge]

I think most Trackday organisers take a pragmatic approach with all the tech these days, as otherwise we wouldn't see any trackday videos.

Trackdays aren't racing so, no organiser wants to see those on track looking down at screens a lot to see if they're going faster.

The main thing is to have a solid, safe mount for whatever equipment you use, so in the event of a crash, it cant fly off & injure you/passenger.

My Trackday organiser has this in their briefing questions;-

Can you use video equipment on a track day? *
No
Yes, but only when secured in a professional mount - CORRECT ANSWER
Yes and my passenger can film when I'm driving with their phone

Are you allowed to time laps on a track day? *
Yes
No
No timing on the day, analysis of a data recorder or video after is accepted - CORRECT ANSWER

Just be honest with them before you go on track, they'll have heard the question lots of times before. Just get it in writing so all parties are aware.

Enjoy your trackdays!

[anonymous-user]

I think they just don’t want you racing against the clock so anything you can only analyse afterwards should be fine.

I’ve never had any problem using an iPhone with Harry’s Lap timer or Race Chrono even with an external GPS provided it is not visible to me during the lap.

As others have said decent GoPro footage is invaluable in allowing you to learn your lines. I lent my car to a friendly pro driver to set a demo lap for me to compare to and it helped me enormously.

https://youtu.be/JTDORDTEvWw

[QBee]

It's because timing on a track day invalidates their insurance.
There are remarkably few accidents involving more than one car on track days, and this may be a good part of the reason.

[anonymous-user]

That's interesting, do you mean their public liability insurance because I thought everyone was driving at their own risk unless they took out specific trackday insurance?

[Caddyshack]

Tobermory said:

That's interesting, do you mean their public liability insurance because I thought everyone was driving at their own risk unless they took out specific trackday insurance?

Liability insurance is not to do with personal track day cover. The second one covers you having a prang. The first one covers the track day organiser should they be sued for negligence for example.