Video EDO Team Nurburgring 7.15mn
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Direct link to video ...
www.edo-competition.net/movies/nordschleife_gt2rs.wmv
www.edo-competition.net/movies/nordschleife_gt2rs.wmv
thanks for the link.
What I want to know is, how much did they pay all those bikes and cars to hug the shoulders???
I mean, if I ever attempted such a pass at Metzgesfeld, that biker would have chopped me off, then lift off and locked brakes would have sent me through the armco!
Those right side passes - certain death.
for edo to let that out, without even a big warning about passing on the right (what would this even say? "DON'T DRIVE LIKE THIS!", makes no sense.
Wish that video technology matched car tech - and we had a high def, 16x9 5.1 DTS recording of Bellof's best lap...
Kurt
PS: the Manthey 440 GT3 accelerates like a beast, but that thing, jeesus christ!!
What I want to know is, how much did they pay all those bikes and cars to hug the shoulders???
I mean, if I ever attempted such a pass at Metzgesfeld, that biker would have chopped me off, then lift off and locked brakes would have sent me through the armco!
Those right side passes - certain death.
for edo to let that out, without even a big warning about passing on the right (what would this even say? "DON'T DRIVE LIKE THIS!", makes no sense.
Wish that video technology matched car tech - and we had a high def, 16x9 5.1 DTS recording of Bellof's best lap...
Kurt
PS: the Manthey 440 GT3 accelerates like a beast, but that thing, jeesus christ!!
Joe911 said:
Direct link to video ...
www.edo-competition.net/movies/nordschleife_gt2rs.wmv
aasc said:
I know it's too late - but who was the track day organiser & more importantly how do I fond out about more?!
The organiser was Herr Bolz - see here:
www.nuerburgring-nordschleife.de/seite3.htm
woah. i thought considering how fast he was going he looked pretty safe, so a few right hand overtakes but nothing worse than ive seen the ring taxi and others do. him overtaking a few quick bikes and cars is really no more dangerous than a 'normal' gt3 overtaking someone relatively slow like me... nice lap 
francisb said:
woah. i thought considering how fast he was going he looked pretty safe, so a few right hand overtakes but nothing worse than ive seen the ring taxi and others do. him overtaking a few quick bikes and cars is really no more dangerous than a 'normal' gt3 overtaking someone relatively slow like me... nice lap
francisb,
If I may I'll take the other side of the argument.
This guy's right-hand overtakes were on two bikes and a car. In other words, they were against a pair of highly-vulnerable road users and a car that could easily have been carrying three child passengers. I'm sorry but there is no room for that kind of hare-brained selfishness on the 'Ring or any other public road.
By my count this guy overtook sixteen vehicles all together. Judging from his behaviour, the only reason that he did not overtake any of the other thirteen on the right was that his line was clearer (as in, 'quicker') on the left. The left-hand overtakes were clean, although it was not clear whether those overtaken bikers were aware of the overtaker.
This lap was clearly pre-planned. All the driver had to do was to ensure that the Edo (which obviously should be named 'Ego') car was first through the barriers that morning and he would have put no one in danger.
No one, that is, apart from the bikers or drivers and passengers that could quite possibly have emerged from the Breidscheid entrance as the Ego car blasted across the bridge at about 160kph.
A public day at the 'Ring is no place for this nonsense. If you want to do a timed lap which might include overtaking on the right and flouting the hazard at Breidscheid, do it on a trackday. Don't put innocent people at risk for your little video.
I don't know whether the 'Ring management has seen or will see this clip. I do know that the driver deserves to receive a full penalty for each of his misdemeanours.
>> Edited by flemke on Saturday 13th August 00:08
flemke said:
A public day at the 'Ring is no place for this nonsense. If you want to do a timed lap which might include overtaking on the right and flouting the hazard at Breidscheid, do it on a trackday. Don't put innocent people at risk for your little video.
I don't know whether the 'Ring management has seen or will see this clip. I do know that the driver deserves to receive a full penalty for each of his misdemeanours.
I have to agree with Flemke here. The driving contravened the traffic laws which are indeed in effect on the Nordschleife, and rigidly enforced at times.
I wonder if they bothered to obtain a permit for filming that lap. That alone is the grounds for revocation of a Jahreskarte I believe!
If the Edo wants to come out and play with the small fry, he must obey the rules of the game. If not he should seek his thrills elsewhere, preferably against the Manthey cars in the VLN. Somehow I don't think Edo is up to that sort of challenge though...
As a keen biker, I would agree too. I have been passed on the exit of an apex by a GT2 whilst on a bike. I was doing 60-70odd through the series of corners around Pflanzgarten when he came past doing probably 40mph more than me. He wasn't close when I checked my mirrors (okay, they were ducati mirrors!!) before the bend but he scared the living whotsits out of me as he came past, even though he was correctly on the left of me. If I had done anything different to a (biker) correct outside-apex-outside line through the bend or slowed etc, he would have rammed straight into me. Clown!!!
Filming does lose your ticket these days, and will get you banned for the day or longer.
Filming does lose your ticket these days, and will get you banned for the day or longer.
well it would appear i'm in the minority (ok, alone), here against people with many more laps than me. i will concede that laps like that really should be in closed/car only sessions. in my limited experience of about 60-70ish laps, car and bike, ive seen worse on almost every occasion. remember back to when you were slow! and it doesnt take long to find worse on enthusiast websites, even by people we probably all know... usually described as 'interesting' laps. doesnt excuse it i know but puts it in perspective. i think if you guys were a little slower you'd see more of this behaviour.
safety aside it was a great lap no? or was it the car? difficult to tell with such a poor vid.
>> Edited by francisb on Sunday 14th August 18:45
safety aside it was a great lap no? or was it the car? difficult to tell with such a poor vid.
>> Edited by francisb on Sunday 14th August 18:45
the main impression I got from all of the overtakes, is that he was a very lucky boy. Lucky that nobody did anything unpredicatable, like swerve into his line.
I've seen this so many times, granted the Edo driver has lightening reflexes, and is so much faster there isn't much time for something like this to happen, but it very easily could.
I've experienced erratic drivers all this time. Just this weekend a brit M5 (silver, with 'GB' sticker) displayed the trifecta of danger: poor NS awareness, lack of track knowledge/slow cornering, and BIG power with an ego to match.
I was chasing a 330 BMW in my Z4, and we caught this M5 around Brünnchen. The 330 literally bulls his way past on the run down to PG1, the M5 never putting on the blinker or even lifting when it was clear he was coming past. I tried to hang back and time the exit so it was clear before PG2 that I was much quicker, but even with his clueless lines the grunt of his V8 (vs. my 170hp 2.2L) let him mash the throttle and stay on the line, and then when I was even a bit ahead of him coming into the little K, he courteously roared ahead and cut me off right before diving in. I finally gave up, tried not to wince at his line through Galgenkopf, and coasted as he floored it past the gantry and had to stand on the brakes to avoid crashing into the line of cars....
If Edo really wanted to impress me, they'd produce a video, free for download, of safe, courteous, and fun driving on the NS during TF.
Kurt
>> Edited by kedelbach on Monday 15th August 11:41
I've seen this so many times, granted the Edo driver has lightening reflexes, and is so much faster there isn't much time for something like this to happen, but it very easily could.
I've experienced erratic drivers all this time. Just this weekend a brit M5 (silver, with 'GB' sticker) displayed the trifecta of danger: poor NS awareness, lack of track knowledge/slow cornering, and BIG power with an ego to match.
I was chasing a 330 BMW in my Z4, and we caught this M5 around Brünnchen. The 330 literally bulls his way past on the run down to PG1, the M5 never putting on the blinker or even lifting when it was clear he was coming past. I tried to hang back and time the exit so it was clear before PG2 that I was much quicker, but even with his clueless lines the grunt of his V8 (vs. my 170hp 2.2L) let him mash the throttle and stay on the line, and then when I was even a bit ahead of him coming into the little K, he courteously roared ahead and cut me off right before diving in. I finally gave up, tried not to wince at his line through Galgenkopf, and coasted as he floored it past the gantry and had to stand on the brakes to avoid crashing into the line of cars....
If Edo really wanted to impress me, they'd produce a video, free for download, of safe, courteous, and fun driving on the NS during TF.
Kurt
francisb said:
woah. i thought considering how fast he was going he looked pretty safe, so a few right hand overtakes but nothing worse than ive seen the ring taxi and others do. him overtaking a few quick bikes and cars is really no more dangerous than a 'normal' gt3 overtaking someone relatively slow like me... nice lap
>> Edited by kedelbach on Monday 15th August 11:41
kedelbach said:
...I've experienced erratic drivers all this time. Just this weekend a brit M5 (silver, with 'GB' sticker) displayed the trifecta of danger: poor NS awareness, lack of track knowledge/slow cornering, and BIG power with an ego to match.
I was chasing a 330 BMW in my Z4, and we caught this M5 around Brünnchen. The 330 literally bulls his way past on the run down to PG1, the M5 never putting on the blinker or even lifting when it was clear he was coming past. I tried to hang back and time the exit so it was clear before PG2 that I was much quicker, but even with his clueless lines the grunt of his V8 (vs. my 170hp 2.2L) let him mash the throttle and stay on the line, and then when I was even a bit ahead of him coming into the little K, he courteously roared ahead and cut me off right before diving in. I finally gave up, tried not to wince at his line through Galgenkopf, and coasted as he floored it past the gantry and had to stand on the brakes to avoid crashing into the line of cars....
If Edo really wanted to impress me, they'd produce a video, free for download, of safe, courteous, and fun driving on the NS during TF.
Kurt
Is it just me or is this becoming a bit of a trend - as JC, and then every car mag in the UK do features on the NS, we are getting more people hell bent on doing 8min times on lap 2 or just plainly showing off their machinery.
This last weekend was another one - a Brit in a Porker 993 clearly thought nothing of my clapped out Golf Mk II bearing down on him. Caught up with him on the approach to Hoche Acht, but he thought that 260+Bhp makes him the better driver by default and did not yield. Pulled alongside him on the outside at Hoche Acht with the indicator on and tried to overtake him. He had a look at me and then accelerated into Hedwigs-Hohe... Stayed glued to him and eventually passed him on the outside at Wipperman... By then I was a bit peed off to say the least...
I hope that I am wrong in my fears that Touristenfahrt is fast becoming another trackday on the cheap for a lot of Brits...
Alex
P.S. Is it worth reporting something like the above to the Marshals at the gate?
I reported a M5 for overtaking on the right on a quiet Sunday morning.
I tend to drive with a different frame of mind during busy periods.
In the morning or late evening, I like to put some hot laps in, and I would get annoyed if I get blocked for more than one corner.
During a busy Sunday, it's really best to just enjoy driving, but saying that, at least once a trip I find myself swearing, flashing my lights and leaning on the horn, becuase some sap wont move or use his mirrors.
>> Edited by davyboy on Monday 15th August 13:16
I tend to drive with a different frame of mind during busy periods.
In the morning or late evening, I like to put some hot laps in, and I would get annoyed if I get blocked for more than one corner.
During a busy Sunday, it's really best to just enjoy driving, but saying that, at least once a trip I find myself swearing, flashing my lights and leaning on the horn, becuase some sap wont move or use his mirrors.
>> Edited by davyboy on Monday 15th August 13:16
well said, I tried to use the queues on the main straight to regroup, note the places I should have driven differently, more courteously etc., but like you its hard to be patient when a clearly slower vehicle not just holds you up, but refuses to give way after 2 or 3 curves...
Alex - reporting people is totally your call. I've never done it, but if somebody had reported a certain Celica last year, perhaps he wouldn't have booted a biker over AF right in front of the car I was in...
Alex - reporting people is totally your call. I've never done it, but if somebody had reported a certain Celica last year, perhaps he wouldn't have booted a biker over AF right in front of the car I was in...
davyboy said:
I reported a M5 for overtaking on the right on a quiet Sunday morning.
I tend to drive with a different frame of mind during busy periods.
In the morning or late evening, I like to put some hot laps in, and I would get annoyed if I get blocked for more than one corner.
During a busy Sunday, it's really best to just enjoy driving, but saying that, at least once a trip I find myself swearing, flashing my lights and leaning on the horn, becuase some sap wont move or use his mirrors.
>> Edited by davyboy on Monday 15th August 13:16
cheburator said:As opposed to being "another trackday on the cheap" for people from Germany, Italy, Belgium, Holland, Sweden and Switzerland?
I hope that I am wrong in my fears that Touristenfahrt is fast becoming another trackday on the cheap for a lot of Brits...
During tourist laps I've seen cars and bikes from all those countries being driven inconsiderately and dangerously. Britain does not have a monopoly on idiots; indeed, we need look no further than the "Edo" video.
Yes it is frustrating when Top Gear (both mag and tv show), evo, Autocar, GT Purely Porsche and even the American Road and Track can't be any more creative than to write about and encourage people to come to the 'Ring. On the other hand, we all were first-timers at some point, and it's hardly fair to expect oneself to be the last man in before the door is closed.
Besides, worse than the 'Ring's being too popular would be if it became so little popular that the management could no longer justify the economics of public lapping, or its operation became vulnerable to the Greens-with-envy who would like to shut it down.
It would help hugely if 'Ring management would do something about traffic management in the parking areas. Is there any reason why some numbnuts should be allowed to park a bloody trailer in the paddock all day? For that matter, why can't people who are there not to drive but only to hang out - which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do - leave their idle cars outside the paddock? Another thing that would help enormously would be a second access road from the paddock to the street. These queues that go back up Dottinger Hohe are unnecessarily dangerous.
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