Budget and friendly race series
Discussion
I recently came across a thread mentioning the tricolor trophy which seems a good way into motorsport with my 182.
I have a fair fee track days booked this year and plan is to maybe thinking about a race series next year.
I'm interested to know Amy recommendations for someone trying to start on a tight budget, with no real mechanical knowledge and who has never raced.
I'm more interested in it for the fun than the competition so keen to avoid anything that's taken too seriously
Any suggestions?
I have a fair fee track days booked this year and plan is to maybe thinking about a race series next year.
I'm interested to know Amy recommendations for someone trying to start on a tight budget, with no real mechanical knowledge and who has never raced.
I'm more interested in it for the fun than the competition so keen to avoid anything that's taken too seriously
Any suggestions?
107 series?
https://www.motorsportuk.org/brscc-launches-new-ci...
Unless of course you want to use the 182
https://www.motorsportuk.org/brscc-launches-new-ci...
Unless of course you want to use the 182
Edited by nickfrog on Saturday 8th May 13:26
.The beauty of using the 182 is it’s welcome in many different series from CSCC tin tops, to Combe saloons, or Welsh Sports and Saloons, Tricolore etc etc so you’re not tied to a particular series. If you were to build a 107, it’s only going to be worth entering the city car cup, you’ll get mullered in other series.
Is the car staying road legal or can you trailer it? Keeping it road legal is a compromise but saves some hassle though driving a race car on the road is tiring and a lot less much fun as you think it will be....
Is the car staying road legal or can you trailer it? Keeping it road legal is a compromise but saves some hassle though driving a race car on the road is tiring and a lot less much fun as you think it will be....
I wouldn’t be too sniffy about short session tuition with trackday organisers, using a coach all day will undoubtedly have its benefits but there’s plenty of great instructors out there working for TDOs. Most charge for tuition now but it’s a fraction of hiring someone in by the day and can still give some great gains.
Great point about the V-Box though, that’s an invaluable bit of kit and worth every penny.
Great point about the V-Box though, that’s an invaluable bit of kit and worth every penny.
Racing is a completely different kettle of fish to trackdays. Even the cheapest race series a car will likely cost £5k once you factor in a fia spec cage, seat, harnesses and fire suppression system. Then another £2k of kit for yourself- fireproof underwear, race suit, gloves, proper helmet, possibly a hans device too.
Then youve got the costs of getting a license and doing an ards test.
Then race entry can be anywhere from about £400 upwards, for that you'd get a 20 minute practice/ quali, and a 20 minute race. Not a lot of track time compared to an open pit lane trackday.
And then, the biggest hurdle to overcome, is the very real possibility that through matters entirely outside your control, you get involved in a first corner shunt that means your £5k car is immediately written off.
Someone smarter than me once said racing is an excellent way of turning a large fortune into a small one.
Then youve got the costs of getting a license and doing an ards test.
Then race entry can be anywhere from about £400 upwards, for that you'd get a 20 minute practice/ quali, and a 20 minute race. Not a lot of track time compared to an open pit lane trackday.
And then, the biggest hurdle to overcome, is the very real possibility that through matters entirely outside your control, you get involved in a first corner shunt that means your £5k car is immediately written off.
Someone smarter than me once said racing is an excellent way of turning a large fortune into a small one.
brillomaster said:
Racing is a completely different kettle of fish to trackdays. Even the cheapest race series a car will likely cost £5k once you factor in a fia spec cage, seat, harnesses and fire suppression system. Then another £2k of kit for yourself- fireproof underwear, race suit, gloves, proper helmet, possibly a hans device too.
Then youve got the costs of getting a license and doing an ards test.
Then race entry can be anywhere from about £400 upwards, for that you'd get a 20 minute practice/ quali, and a 20 minute race. Not a lot of track time compared to an open pit lane trackday.
And then, the biggest hurdle to overcome, is the very real possibility that through matters entirely outside your control, you get involved in a first corner shunt that means your £5k car is immediately written off.
Someone smarter than me once said racing is an excellent way of turning a large fortune into a small one.
Yeah but it's only money.. and sometimes it's about having fun with the competitive element thrown in..Then youve got the costs of getting a license and doing an ards test.
Then race entry can be anywhere from about £400 upwards, for that you'd get a 20 minute practice/ quali, and a 20 minute race. Not a lot of track time compared to an open pit lane trackday.
And then, the biggest hurdle to overcome, is the very real possibility that through matters entirely outside your control, you get involved in a first corner shunt that means your £5k car is immediately written off.
Someone smarter than me once said racing is an excellent way of turning a large fortune into a small one.
While it is more expensive than track days and yes you get less seat time, it - as you quite rightly point out - is a different kettle of fish as it's just such good fun.. the reduction in seat time isn't an issue as you'll be knackered anyway (or you will be if you're a middle aged fat bloke like me!) and you'd be amazed how full the day can be even with only a couple of sessions..
Swap the budget that you used to throw at a couple of weeks spent jetting off to somewhere hot and crowded for a seasons worth of racing at some lovely venues with some great people.. what's not to like..
Steve H said:
I wouldn’t be too sniffy about short session tuition with trackday organisers, using a coach all day will undoubtedly have its benefits but there’s plenty of great instructors out there working for TDOs. Most charge for tuition now but it’s a fraction of hiring someone in by the day and can still give some great gains.
Great point about the V-Box though, that’s an invaluable bit of kit and worth every penny.
Agree with this, at a new track I would always pay for tuition, just getting a bit of local knowledge is always super helpful fo me and my driving improved dramatically in my first 10-15 TD from using the £25 MSV guides. Even now I still take them out from time to time at TD, for such a small outlay, they always pick up something that can help, Or point out a slightly bad habit I've picked up. Great point about the V-Box though, that’s an invaluable bit of kit and worth every penny.
I'm planning at some point to do this: https://driver61.com
brillomaster said:
Racing is a completely different kettle of fish to trackdays. Even the cheapest race series a car will likely cost £5k once you factor in a fia spec cage, seat, harnesses and fire suppression system. Then another £2k of kit for yourself- fireproof underwear, race suit, gloves, proper helmet, possibly a hans device too.
Then youve got the costs of getting a license and doing an ards test.
Then race entry can be anywhere from about £400 upwards, for that you'd get a 20 minute practice/ quali, and a 20 minute race. Not a lot of track time compared to an open pit lane trackday.
And then, the biggest hurdle to overcome, is the very real possibility that through matters entirely outside your control, you get involved in a first corner shunt that means your £5k car is immediately written off.
Someone smarter than me once said racing is an excellent way of turning a large fortune into a small one.
Yes, racing is a completely different kettle of fish compared to racing, you just can’t beat the thrill of competition. As for costs, yes I am sure it can be costlier than track days but you can share cars and costs in several 2 driver pit stop races such as with CSCC, 750 or MSVR etc.and you are out in your entry fees estimation. A typical 30 min practice and 40 min race with CSCC is about £400 on average. And in my opinion that is good value for money for the experience you get over and above a track day.Then youve got the costs of getting a license and doing an ards test.
Then race entry can be anywhere from about £400 upwards, for that you'd get a 20 minute practice/ quali, and a 20 minute race. Not a lot of track time compared to an open pit lane trackday.
And then, the biggest hurdle to overcome, is the very real possibility that through matters entirely outside your control, you get involved in a first corner shunt that means your £5k car is immediately written off.
Someone smarter than me once said racing is an excellent way of turning a large fortune into a small one.
I don’t know much about Clio’s but there is a Clio only class in CSCC tin tops. I have run fwd hot hatches in CSCC and a set of List 1b tyres used to last me about 4-6 meetings, I only had accident damage twice in many years and my race suit, gloves, underwear, balaclava, Hans and boots are the same ones I started with. I have changed my helmet 3 times in 15 years. I don’t think that adds up to very expensive really, but it is all relative.
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