Changing your oil

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Evoluzione

Original Poster:

10,345 posts

249 months

Thursday 6th May 2021
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Has anyone ever found any good expert advice on how often to change the engine oil when doing trackdays or any other similar competitive track work?
I don't want your personal opinion unless you're an expert!

Rowe

345 posts

128 months

Thursday 6th May 2021
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It's all very much dependant on the engine, application, and temps really.

I know it's an internet classic, but my friend is an Engineer at Fuchs. He changes his every 3-4 trackdays in his 2.0 N/A Clio.

I guess ultimately, the best way to do it, is getting your oil tested regularly. That would give you the best indication as to time period before the oil starts breaking down and is passed its best.

Cambs_Stuart

3,062 posts

90 months

Thursday 6th May 2021
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An engine oil change on my 2.0 clio is less than £40 and about 30 minutes to do (including getting tools out and jacking car up) so i tend to change the engine oil every 2-3 track days. The gearbox oil is another £45, but slightly more annoying to change, so that gets done every 5 ish track days or once per year, whichever comes first.
For the cost and time involved it's a worthwhile bit of preventative maintenance. And generally when I've got the tools out and the car is up in the air with the oil draining i take the time to give it a good check over for fluid leaks, tired bushes and worn suspension/steering components.

motorhole

678 posts

226 months

Thursday 6th May 2021
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Answer is before it starts to degrade sufficiently such that it is no longer doing its intended job as a result of fuel contamination, water content via condensation, sustained high temperature shear (measured via viscosity index iirc) and so on.

As mentioned by others above, this is engine, use (track only? track & road? frequency of use? duration of use? duration & frequency of lay-up periods etc), temperature and oil dependent.

So the only way is to send off used oil samples with known history for analysis and seeing what comes back. Then using that data to define your change intervals. So what one person says works for them may not be the same for you.

Cambs_Stuart

3,062 posts

90 months

Thursday 6th May 2021
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It'd be interesting to send some samples off to this place (Other testing companies are available) after each track day to see how the oil degrades over time.

https://www.theoillab.co.uk/product-category/oil-t...


HustleRussell

25,144 posts

166 months

Thursday 6th May 2021
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At a basic level, oil is cheap and engines are expensive.

The only way to put a figure on it is to have the oil analysed.

andygo

6,913 posts

261 months

Thursday 6th May 2021
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I did a track day at Spa last year in my standard engined Golf 7.5R. I changed the oil before I went and put Millers fully synthetic in.

I was doing 20 min stints but even so the oil temp was showing 129C.

I did the nordschleife the day after and the oil got nowhere near as hot.

Even so, I changed the oil when I got home, no point in risking it, especially as it's such a relatively small expenditure in the scheme of things. Common sense really.


handbraketurn

1,372 posts

172 months

Thursday 6th May 2021
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I change mine after every or every other track day, not strictly necessary, but it's relatively cheap and my car runs smoother and cooler for it. Change the filter every 3-5 changes depending on miles in between.

I just changed it today and the gearbox oil after a very good pasting at Cadwell Park, plus 700 odd road miles. Changed the filter in April.

I run a 2.0 K20 VTEC they can burn oil anyway and oil is really the only thing that can kill them. You need to constanlyt monitor if they're drinking it and making sure they're brimmed. I find it burns more after a track day or two than with fresh oil, whilst the oil will be fine to keep going if you keep it topped up, I think it looses some of its viscosity after that level of sustained heat punishment of track days, which it would not normally get on road use. Not only does that not lubricate the engine as well, it also less efficient at cooling.

Europarts have discount codes like DFS have sales. Today I got 5L of Shell Helix 5W-40 Ultra for £36, it's the same cost as half a tank of fuel. And I also use Mannol Ultra (with Ester) which is a Ukranian brand, and I got 2 x 5l cans for £29.99 from fleabay. I use the latter if I'm changing regularly.

Edited by handbraketurn on Friday 7th May 14:51

CJ1

468 posts

84 months

Friday 7th May 2021
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andygo said:
I did a track day at Spa last year in my standard engined Golf 7.5R. I changed the oil before I went and put Millers fully synthetic in.

I was doing 20 min stints but even so the oil temp was showing 129C.

I did the nordschleife the day after and the oil got nowhere near as hot.

Even so, I changed the oil when I got home, no point in risking it, especially as it's such a relatively small expenditure in the scheme of things. Common sense really.
Was getting up to 129 as well in my Audi S3 around Cadwell. Goodwood around 119 and 120 around Brands.

Have switched to Fuchs Titan Pro race S 5w40 from the standard 5w30 in the hope it may run a little cooler!

E-bmw

9,841 posts

158 months

Saturday 8th May 2021
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CJ1 said:
Was getting up to 129 as well in my Audi S3 around Cadwell. Goodwood around 119 and 120 around Brands.

Have switched to Fuchs Titan Pro race S 5w40 from the standard 5w30 in the hope it may run a little cooler!
I may be missing something here but why do you think running on thicker oil will make it run cooler?

Wh00sher

1,640 posts

224 months

Sunday 9th May 2021
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I sent oil for testing. On my dedicated track car, 2.0 turbo running Fuchs Titan Pro Race S 10w40. They wanted engine details and my use.

The results suggested that after 10 months, just under 3,000 miles and 11 trackdays it was worth changing due to buildup of contaminants. After less time they said that whilst the oil looked discoloured, it was still performing as designed and changing it was simply not necessary.


Imo that's the only way to be sure. It depends on your engine, cooling and use. There is no catch all statement. That an oil change after xxx trackdays or miles is required.

Whilst oil testing isn't cheap, it only needed to be done a few times and I now use that knowledge to plan my oil changes and have saved far more than the cost of frequent unneeded oil changes I used to do.


Evoluzione

Original Poster:

10,345 posts

249 months

Sunday 9th May 2021
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Thanks for your replies, yeah you're right really, ultimately testing is the only way.
Will give it some thought smile

Fonzey

2,166 posts

133 months

Sunday 9th May 2021
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I generally always find an excuse to change after a few trackdays anyway... either my sandwich plate need removing so I can access something out, or I decide to add/move some sensors, reroute some plumbing, etc hehe