Cadwell Park - Hairpin
Discussion
Evening all,
I'm looking to cut my lap time at Cadwell by taking some kerb at Hairpin. Is this possible? I want to carry more speed through to barn but it looks to be a fair chunk of concrete.
I have some fairly strong forged BBS wheels and Intrax suspension, which is supposedly tough.
I'm looking to cut my lap time at Cadwell by taking some kerb at Hairpin. Is this possible? I want to carry more speed through to barn but it looks to be a fair chunk of concrete.
I have some fairly strong forged BBS wheels and Intrax suspension, which is supposedly tough.
Dave. said:
Indeed, but neither have any answer to my question.I'm reasonably quick around Cadwell I'm just looking to see if I can gain anything on this one particular corner.
You will find very little time to gain at the slowest corner on any circuit, that applies double at Cadwell where the exit of the turn is such a short straight.
You may get some at Barn if you can improve your exit speeds but the big benefits are on the fast stuff, Coppice, Charlies, Gooseneck etc.
You may get some at Barn if you can improve your exit speeds but the big benefits are on the fast stuff, Coppice, Charlies, Gooseneck etc.
Steve H said:
You will find very little time to gain at the slowest corner on any circuit, that applies double at Cadwell where the exit of the turn is such a short straight.
You may get some at Barn if you can improve your exit speeds but the big benefits are on the fast stuff, Coppice, Charlies, Gooseneck etc.
I totally agree. Coppice and Charlies especially.You may get some at Barn if you can improve your exit speeds but the big benefits are on the fast stuff, Coppice, Charlies, Gooseneck etc.
My issue is I'm chasing the 0.2 seconds my brother in law has me beat by and I'm flat out for pretty much the rest of the lap. In all the faster corners I'm near the limit of adhesion.
If I can take an extra couple of MPH through hairpin and barn, I reckon that'll make the difference.
Trackdayer said:
Dave. said:
Indeed, but neither have any answer to my question.I'm reasonably quick around Cadwell I'm just looking to see if I can gain anything on this one particular corner.
What size/profile tyre are you running? If you got some meaty rubber you might get away with it, it does look a fair old lump though.
Dave. said:
Neither of those guides shoes them taking the curb there.
What size/profile tyre are you running? If you got some meaty rubber you might get away with it, it does look a fair old lump though.
265/35/18 front 295/40/18 rear if I remember rightly (or thereabouts)What size/profile tyre are you running? If you got some meaty rubber you might get away with it, it does look a fair old lump though.
I'm tempted to sneak in early one morning and take a walk round it and kick the kerbs
Trackdayer said:
Steve H said:
You will find very little time to gain at the slowest corner on any circuit, that applies double at Cadwell where the exit of the turn is such a short straight.
You may get some at Barn if you can improve your exit speeds but the big benefits are on the fast stuff, Coppice, Charlies, Gooseneck etc.
I totally agree. Coppice and Charlies especially.You may get some at Barn if you can improve your exit speeds but the big benefits are on the fast stuff, Coppice, Charlies, Gooseneck etc.
My issue is I'm chasing the 0.2 seconds my brother in law has me beat by and I'm flat out for pretty much the rest of the lap. In all the faster corners I'm near the limit of adhesion.
If I can take an extra couple of MPH through hairpin and barn, I reckon that'll make the difference.
Trackdayer said:
Dave. said:
I wouldnt be doing it on those...
Have you got any data/telemetry?
Must be another 4 places where you can gain 0.05secs rather than 1x0.2....
Steve H said:
Ignoring for a moment that this is a trackday forum I’ll just say that chasing 2 tenths without proper data is a pointless exercise.
^^^^Wot 'e said.Try following & learning from him.
As was eluded to earlier, it is much easier to make up time at Charlies, Coppice, the Gooseneck (personal favourite) and even Hall bends.
Steve H said:
You will find very little time to gain at the slowest corner on any circuit, that applies double at Cadwell where the exit of the turn is such a short straight.
You may get some at Barn if you can improve your exit speeds but the big benefits are on the fast stuff, Coppice, Charlies, Gooseneck etc.
Excellent advice and a focal point for other race circuits as well.You may get some at Barn if you can improve your exit speeds but the big benefits are on the fast stuff, Coppice, Charlies, Gooseneck etc.
Trackdayer said:
I look at it as improving my weakest 2 corners will yield some additional time. I don't need datalogging to tell me I can go faster there.
Trackdayer said:
Drumroll said:
Are you seriously telling us you know that you are 0.2 seconds slower at those corners without a data logger?
No.OP, you are asking for advice then not listening to it when it comes.
To be clear, When pushing for a fast lap the best thing you can do with Hall Bends and Hairpin is survive them. I’ve instructed there for TDO’s, I’ve instructed there for the circuit, I’ve won races there, please believe me when I say the proper gains are elsewhere.
Steve H said:
I’m not sure that makes sense.
OP, you are asking for advice then not listening to it when it comes.
To be clear, When pushing for a fast lap the best thing you can do with Hall Bends and Hairpin is survive them. I’ve instructed there for TDO’s, I’ve instructed there for the circuit, I’ve won races there, please believe me when I say the proper gains are elsewhere.
I think you're missing the question slightly. OP, you are asking for advice then not listening to it when it comes.
To be clear, When pushing for a fast lap the best thing you can do with Hall Bends and Hairpin is survive them. I’ve instructed there for TDO’s, I’ve instructed there for the circuit, I’ve won races there, please believe me when I say the proper gains are elsewhere.
I'm asking if it's possible to take more speed through Hairpin by taking some kerb. Not whether I've datalogged or not, not how quick I am elsewhere on the lap.
Many thanks
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