Do Hans device / Simpson hybrid work with Recaro CS?
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Hi
If that's the seat I think it is the back goes straight up and into the head rest - sort of one piece thing?
If so then I'd suggest that the ordinary Hans could give you that problem, on my track car I had the same issue, the Simpson Hybrid was the solution for me.
However it does vary from person to person, what causes me an issue doesn't when my brother is in the same car with a 1inch thick seat insert.
I'd borrow a normal Hans and try it before splashing the £'s!
I assume you're sorted for appropriate belts etc..
HTH
If that's the seat I think it is the back goes straight up and into the head rest - sort of one piece thing?
If so then I'd suggest that the ordinary Hans could give you that problem, on my track car I had the same issue, the Simpson Hybrid was the solution for me.
However it does vary from person to person, what causes me an issue doesn't when my brother is in the same car with a 1inch thick seat insert.
I'd borrow a normal Hans and try it before splashing the £'s!
I assume you're sorted for appropriate belts etc..
HTH
Personal option, but I wouldn't use a HANS / harnesses with a reclining seat, it's a very different setup to an FIA fixed back seat that HANS and harnesses are designed for. in an accident the CS is likely to break the recline ratchet and therefore the harnesses will go slack unlike an inertia reel standard seat belt...
example here with a DC2 integra type-r - they have a variant of the recaro 'speed' seat which has the harness holes etc. so not a cheap generic 'racing seat'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ye72Fg2xjs&ab...
Robert Mitchell from Apex at the nurburgring did a great video on safety devices in a road car which I tend to agree with... upshot was either use all the standard equipment (inertia reel, airbags) or the full racecar setup (helmet, cage/rollbar, FIA seat, harnesses, disconnect airbags)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxmjzFLfBVE&ab...
example here with a DC2 integra type-r - they have a variant of the recaro 'speed' seat which has the harness holes etc. so not a cheap generic 'racing seat'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ye72Fg2xjs&ab...
Robert Mitchell from Apex at the nurburgring did a great video on safety devices in a road car which I tend to agree with... upshot was either use all the standard equipment (inertia reel, airbags) or the full racecar setup (helmet, cage/rollbar, FIA seat, harnesses, disconnect airbags)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxmjzFLfBVE&ab...
paulmnz said:
Personal option, but I wouldn't use a HANS / harnesses with a reclining seat, it's a very different setup to an FIA fixed back seat that HANS and harnesses are designed for. in an accident the CS is likely to break the recline ratchet and therefore the harnesses will go slack unlike an inertia reel standard seat belt...
example here with a DC2 integra type-r - they have a variant of the recaro 'speed' seat which has the harness holes etc. so not a cheap generic 'racing seat'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ye72Fg2xjs&ab...
Robert Mitchell from Apex at the nurburgring did a great video on safety devices in a road car which I tend to agree with... upshot was either use all the standard equipment (inertia reel, airbags) or the full racecar setup (helmet, cage/rollbar, FIA seat, harnesses, disconnect airbags)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxmjzFLfBVE&ab...
Thanks but the Recaro CS is designed for harnesses and widely accepted as safe to use with them. They are a completely different construction to the Speed. example here with a DC2 integra type-r - they have a variant of the recaro 'speed' seat which has the harness holes etc. so not a cheap generic 'racing seat'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ye72Fg2xjs&ab...
Robert Mitchell from Apex at the nurburgring did a great video on safety devices in a road car which I tend to agree with... upshot was either use all the standard equipment (inertia reel, airbags) or the full racecar setup (helmet, cage/rollbar, FIA seat, harnesses, disconnect airbags)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxmjzFLfBVE&ab...
Good prep advice: ensure that there is a fixed spar on the ROPS which will prevent the seat from collapsing in the event of an off. Even a Recaro seat will struggle to resist this.
With regards to suitability, I would contact Recaro. If I were you, then I would be prepared to interpret their answer to some degree, in the event of it not being a clear 'yes'.
With regards to suitability, I would contact Recaro. If I were you, then I would be prepared to interpret their answer to some degree, in the event of it not being a clear 'yes'.
Harness's only help in a frontal accident, personally its 6 point harness or regular seatbelt for me.
In a high speed rear impact I would expect the CS to break the ratchet, harness or no harness, and collapse. You need an FIA certified bucket to stop this happening, they are the only seats rated for impact like this.
If you're concerned about side impact, none of what you have asked will help. There is no evidence supporting any claims that the hybrid helps with side impact (and the manufacture has never claimed it does), and regular Hans device is well known to offer nothing side impact wise. The only side impact head protection that you can get is seat wings, and I don't believe there is an option for that with these seats.
To answer your question, will a hans device work with this seat and 4 point harness, yes it will, provided your harness is designed for hans.
In a high speed rear impact I would expect the CS to break the ratchet, harness or no harness, and collapse. You need an FIA certified bucket to stop this happening, they are the only seats rated for impact like this.
If you're concerned about side impact, none of what you have asked will help. There is no evidence supporting any claims that the hybrid helps with side impact (and the manufacture has never claimed it does), and regular Hans device is well known to offer nothing side impact wise. The only side impact head protection that you can get is seat wings, and I don't believe there is an option for that with these seats.
To answer your question, will a hans device work with this seat and 4 point harness, yes it will, provided your harness is designed for hans.
Trackdayer said:
Absolute nonsense. The manufacturer has specifically said they are harness compatible.
If they weren't, I wouldn't be running harnesses with them.
My query is the space available to accomodate a head restraint.
I’m sure they’re compatible with harnesses and there is space. If they weren't, I wouldn't be running harnesses with them.
My query is the space available to accomodate a head restraint.
But the question is would you want to be in a crash with those seats rather than a proper single piece? No thank you.
Boggo said:
Harness's only help in a frontal accident, personally its 6 point harness or regular seatbelt for me.
In a high speed rear impact I would expect the CS to break the ratchet, harness or no harness, and collapse. You need an FIA certified bucket to stop this happening, they are the only seats rated for impact like this.
Do not waste your time. The insufferably arrogant but comically inexperienced new member is not entertaining this notion and no matter how many times it is suggested by more experienced members, he will not listen.In a high speed rear impact I would expect the CS to break the ratchet, harness or no harness, and collapse. You need an FIA certified bucket to stop this happening, they are the only seats rated for impact like this.
944 Man said:
Do not waste your time. The insufferably arrogant but comically inexperienced new member is not entertaining this notion and no matter how many times it is suggested by more experienced members, he will not listen.
How long I've been on the forum is irrelevant.Your posts genuinely don't come across as well informedm or experienced and you are clearly not open to learning.
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