Euro trackdays (brexit rant)
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Someone ranting on Bookface:
"Just read the post Brexit regulations for taking cars abroad for motorsport. £300 quid for a customs carnet, tax on tyres, oil etc an a 40% deposit of the value of the car before you can go."
Anyone know if this might affect trailering a car for trackdays?
"Just read the post Brexit regulations for taking cars abroad for motorsport. £300 quid for a customs carnet, tax on tyres, oil etc an a 40% deposit of the value of the car before you can go."
Anyone know if this might affect trailering a car for trackdays?
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I saw someone mentioning that this wouldn’t apply to private individuals as we are talking about ‘goods’ here - but haven’t seen that confirmed or denied. The way I’d read it initially was that it would apply to everyone.
Will even apply to trips to Northern Ireland as I understand it.
https://www.motorsportuk.org/movement-of-motorspor...
I saw someone mentioning that this wouldn’t apply to private individuals as we are talking about ‘goods’ here - but haven’t seen that confirmed or denied. The way I’d read it initially was that it would apply to everyone.
Will even apply to trips to Northern Ireland as I understand it.
https://www.motorsportuk.org/movement-of-motorspor...
It covers all goods, the “CAR” element of the phrase is misleading and implies it refers to cars but it doesn’t, “carnet” is French for notebook so it’s pronounced “car-nay”. It includes privately owned vehicles so race or road legal track cars would attract a cost but not consumables because you’re not bringing them back to the U.K. It’s basically to stop you selling the car over there and avoid duties.
Fortunately for race/track day attendees, a car can be included on a single Carnet and allow the owner to enter/leave the EU at will throughout the period and only attract one set of fees.....
I’d guess most people will opt for the “non-refundable insurance premium to cover the 40% proportion of the premium” option as described in the MSA link, even so it’s just added nearly £500 to the cost of a planned trip to Spa based on the assumption that it’s a fairly cheap car and the Carnet requested is only valid for a few days (a single overseas track day per year)
You could have a carnet dated 01 Jan - 31 Dec and only pay one Arrangement Fee but it would attract a much higher premium based on the cars value, shorter periods would be cheaper but you’d need to pay the Arrangement Fee each time.
Covid aside, it will be interesting to see how many U.K. competitors still attend European track days and races as a result.
Fortunately for race/track day attendees, a car can be included on a single Carnet and allow the owner to enter/leave the EU at will throughout the period and only attract one set of fees.....
I’d guess most people will opt for the “non-refundable insurance premium to cover the 40% proportion of the premium” option as described in the MSA link, even so it’s just added nearly £500 to the cost of a planned trip to Spa based on the assumption that it’s a fairly cheap car and the Carnet requested is only valid for a few days (a single overseas track day per year)
You could have a carnet dated 01 Jan - 31 Dec and only pay one Arrangement Fee but it would attract a much higher premium based on the cars value, shorter periods would be cheaper but you’d need to pay the Arrangement Fee each time.
Covid aside, it will be interesting to see how many U.K. competitors still attend European track days and races as a result.
The way I read it is for a road going car you’re driving to the event, you will just need your photocard driving license, V5, insurance green card and GB plates/stickers. I’ll be honest it was unlikely I’d get to Spa without the increased cost of the Carnet on top of all the other costs but I’ll just do another day at Donington or Combe instead.
I’ve spoken to Birmingham Chamber of Commerce who are operating the Carnet scheme at a discount for Motorsport UK competition license holders & their interpretation is provided the car is registered, has valid V5, MOT (if required) insured for use on public roads (Green card) the additional carnet fees & premium are not required. BUT this all needs to be tested to ensure Customs in Europe are looking at it the same way. Fingers crossed!
rossins said:
I’ve spoken to Birmingham Chamber of Commerce who are operating the Carnet scheme at a discount for Motorsport UK competition license holders & their interpretation is provided the car is registered, has valid V5, MOT (if required) insured for use on public roads (Green card) the additional carnet fees & premium are not required. BUT this all needs to be tested to ensure Customs in Europe are looking at it the same way. Fingers crossed!
That would make sense. Any volunteers?!rossins said:
I’ve spoken to Birmingham Chamber of Commerce who are operating the Carnet scheme at a discount for Motorsport UK competition license holders & their interpretation is provided the car is registered, has valid V5, MOT (if required) insured for use on public roads (Green card) the additional carnet fees & premium are not required. BUT this all needs to be tested to ensure Customs in Europe are looking at it the same way. Fingers crossed!
Even if it is on a trailer?The more that I read up on this the less convinced I am of the advice from Motorsport UK.
For example the security rate of 40% was based on us leaving the EU with no deal using WTO terms, see below:
https://www.hampshirechamber.co.uk/wp-content/uplo...
For example the security rate of 40% was based on us leaving the EU with no deal using WTO terms, see below:
https://www.hampshirechamber.co.uk/wp-content/uplo...
I’m unlucky enough to remember using these forms “back in the 1980’s for temporary export of exhibition items for event’s across Europe.
All I will add to this discussion is remember to bring everything back.
For example if you trash your tyres bring the carcass home, empty your oil, bring back the containers etc
Anything not returned to the uk will be assumed to be sold or “exported” they don’t have prove this and your then perceived as smuggling or at least avoiding duties.
All I will add to this discussion is remember to bring everything back.
For example if you trash your tyres bring the carcass home, empty your oil, bring back the containers etc
Anything not returned to the uk will be assumed to be sold or “exported” they don’t have prove this and your then perceived as smuggling or at least avoiding duties.
i am old enough to remember pre single market and then cars that had V5 / mot / taxed were free to move on a trailer or on their wheels. Race cars with no V5 are subject to vat , so you had to put up a bond to say you would not sell the car in a European country. We got these bonds from customs bond dealers in Dover. Who back in 1986 would charge £30-£50 quid for 100k of bond. If you had a race truck full of spares and tools these are also subject to vat and would need to be included in the bond.
i think this will be the case again, if they make you pay a % of the cars value for a vehicle with a V5 on a trailer all i will do is buy a extra ferry ticket and unload the trailer drive on and off and then put it back on the trailer. much cheaper.
i think this will be the case again, if they make you pay a % of the cars value for a vehicle with a V5 on a trailer all i will do is buy a extra ferry ticket and unload the trailer drive on and off and then put it back on the trailer. much cheaper.
I've just received some supplementary information from the CSCC on entry forms for racing at Spa this year. See extract below:
"Many of you keen to race at Spa will be wondering how the Brexit situation will have changed your visit to this special place. Requirements for those professionals transporting cars may be different, but for many of you towing your own car the good news is that an international driving permit is not required. An insurance green card is needed for both your tow vehicle and trailer, but this appears to be as simple as contacting your insurance company nearer the time and requesting this extra paperwork.
Where there is still uncertainty is what is required for the race car being towed, we will come back to you with more information over the coming months. At the time of writing it appears that if a race car being towed has a V5, road insurance and a green card then a Carnet is not required (although any spares and tools valued individually above £150 do). We would like to thank those of you who have contacted us with advice and expertise, particularly Chris Tilly, who is now assisting MSUK directly. "
"Many of you keen to race at Spa will be wondering how the Brexit situation will have changed your visit to this special place. Requirements for those professionals transporting cars may be different, but for many of you towing your own car the good news is that an international driving permit is not required. An insurance green card is needed for both your tow vehicle and trailer, but this appears to be as simple as contacting your insurance company nearer the time and requesting this extra paperwork.
Where there is still uncertainty is what is required for the race car being towed, we will come back to you with more information over the coming months. At the time of writing it appears that if a race car being towed has a V5, road insurance and a green card then a Carnet is not required (although any spares and tools valued individually above £150 do). We would like to thank those of you who have contacted us with advice and expertise, particularly Chris Tilly, who is now assisting MSUK directly. "
blue al said:
I’m unlucky enough to remember using these forms “back in the 1980’s for temporary export of exhibition items for event’s across Europe.
I use to do the same....drive to Cebit and others with a van load of stuff (leaving plenty of space for beer on the way back). Carnet was used to book in and out of each country on the way there and back. No fees required which now sounds like a bit of a racket. Gassing Station | Track Days | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff