thrashing the 440i around Donington

thrashing the 440i around Donington

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Julian Thompson

2,606 posts

249 months

Saturday 18th July 2020
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Half a lap is far too long to be holding people up. You should be aware of the faster cars behind you and time it to clear off out of the way so that neither of you get held up for more than a handful of seconds. Those ultra slow cars holding you up - that’s how people running quicker cars feel about you!

thebraketester

14,878 posts

149 months

Saturday 18th July 2020
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“Drifting”..... how lame.


ps. It really isn’t what anyone wants to see I can assure you.

thebraketester

14,878 posts

149 months

Saturday 18th July 2020
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Who?

Julian Thompson

2,606 posts

249 months

Saturday 18th July 2020
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wioifoiee said:
Julian Thompson said:
Half a lap is far too long to be holding people up. You should be aware of the faster cars behind you and time it to clear off out of the way so that neither of you get held up for more than a handful of seconds. Those ultra slow cars holding you up - that’s how people running quicker cars feel about you!
You have no idea of the circumstances i was referring to, the specific cars i was speaking of, or where these situations ocurred on the lap.
You do not know, of what you speak. Silence, my brother.
Sure, except it’s a forum so if you don’t want comment then, why bother posting?

Julian Thompson

2,606 posts

249 months

Saturday 18th July 2020
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PS FWIW I watched your video and didn’t see anything at all wrong with the level of sideways you were using. Probably would have got away with that in a race car but road cars seem more conspicuous for some reason.

Xcore

1,381 posts

101 months

Saturday 18th July 2020
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Surely you can’t criticise the “ultra slow” cars for holding people up, when you where holding people up yourself? The faster cars sat
Behind you where probably thinking “why won’t mr lease car move out of the way?!”

Julian Thompson

2,606 posts

249 months

Saturday 18th July 2020
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I was coaching some guys at Combe a few weeks ago and the very first thing I try and get them to do is be aware of traffic and learn how to move out of the way efficiently and obviously with the minimum damage to their own rhythm.

There is never an excuse for half a lap of holding someone up. One or two corners is the absolute maximum.

Interestingly I happened to be on circuit myself up at Donington a few weeks ago whilst Sir Chris Hoy was enjoying some leisurely laps in his beautiful GT3RS. Superb driving - he wasn’t trying to go that fast at all but his awareness of traffic ahead of and behind him was outstanding - you can always tell a pro driver by the way they manage traffic.

Edited by Julian Thompson on Saturday 18th July 10:05

NGRhodes

1,291 posts

83 months

Saturday 18th July 2020
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Wioifoiee,

Trying to keep this a constructive discussion, a couple of thoughts to consider:

Perhaps, another reason for not drifting is that it distracts attention from others on the track, such as not letting faster cars past (probably also another rule broken) that you mentioned.

Also, maybe to a Marshall at a distance who has to watch multiple cars at speed, its hard to judge which cars are drifting under control or heading out of control with minimal roll over protection (I have seen someone roll a car trying to do lift off over steer). Some organisers see fit to err on the side of precaution (safer option) ?

mywifeshusband

601 posts

209 months

Saturday 18th July 2020
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Am I the only one disappointed not to find a Volvo 440? May have been more entertaining.

lost in espace

6,342 posts

218 months

Saturday 18th July 2020
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mywifeshusband said:
Am I the only one disappointed not to find a Volvo 440? May have been more entertaining.
And me!

James-m5qjf

1,730 posts

58 months

Saturday 18th July 2020
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Nice video and driving. Shame about some of the bellend comments here - keyboard warriors.

RWDKurt

163 posts

257 months

Saturday 18th July 2020
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Julian Thompson said:
Half a lap is far too long to be holding people up. You should be aware of the faster cars behind you and time it to clear off out of the way so that neither of you get held up for more than a handful of seconds. Those ultra slow cars holding you up - that’s how people running quicker cars feel about you!
Couldn't agree more. Do unto others etc...

I was at the same event as the OP - many of the stoppages were caused by offs into gravel, and largely people in RWD cars. The marshalls have a hard enough job policing these events without having to try and discern between those who are talented and those who aren't. Whilst it's obvious the OP can control a car, perhaps he'd be better off going to bespoke drift events if that's his thing?

The OP also mentions lap timing in the video. Some track day organisers have issued lengthy bans for this in the past. I'd advise an edit.

brillomaster

1,456 posts

181 months

Saturday 18th July 2020
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Looks like fun, love a beemer round donington. Few understeer moments, but mostly looked like controlled oversteer to me. And no, its hardly drifting, you're barely using a quarter turn of opposite lock, pro drifters are fully sideways coming into corners!

Be honest- did you ever spin? If you didnt, then i see no problem, you were driving within your limits. However i think i have to err on the side of caution with trackdays... massive mix of abilities on track at once, and as you saw, other drivers/bmws have got it wrong and caused a redflag, which then slows up everything for everyone- remember, a redflag causes everyone to stop, not just you. A day would run a lot smoother with no red flags.


Dynion Araf Uchaf

4,788 posts

234 months

Sunday 19th July 2020
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lost in espace said:
mywifeshusband said:
Am I the only one disappointed not to find a Volvo 440? May have been more entertaining.
And me!
well I was hoping it was going to be about a Ferrari 440i

handbraketurn

1,374 posts

177 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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Were you the guy next to me in the pits saying your tires were 40 PSI ?

Edited by handbraketurn on Thursday 30th July 18:29

braddo

11,648 posts

199 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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Please just let the thread die...

C70R

17,596 posts

115 months

Friday 31st July 2020
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braddo said:
Please just let the thread die...
He's trolling to get hits for his sad, little YouTube channel. I'd encourage people to avoid clicking on any links.

Krikkit

27,212 posts

192 months

Friday 31st July 2020
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Julian Thompson said:
Interestingly I happened to be on circuit myself up at Donington a few weeks ago whilst Sir Chris Hoy was enjoying some leisurely laps in his beautiful GT3RS. Superb driving - he wasn’t trying to go that fast at all but his awareness of traffic ahead of and behind him was outstanding - you can always tell a pro driver by the way they manage traffic.
I think driving at the LM24 does help with your traffic thinking! Very cool.