Should 'home build' track cars be banned from trackdays?
Poll: Should 'home build' track cars be banned from trackdays?
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Following on from the other thread about race cars. This has got me thinking, should home built bodger specials be banned from trackdays? I am talking about the 'lads' with the turbo'd Clio, engine swapped 325i, supercharged MR2 rocking up hopelessly under prepared and with the bravado of a drunken teenager on NYE.
Invariably these cars almost always blow up, professional conversions are ok, but home builders almost always cause a red flag as the engine grenades on its second flying lap or a hose blows off 'coz massive boost innit' and pisses oil over the track.
And often they are just unreliable and constantly breaking down. And the drivers are 'fast in a straight line' with the mate timing in the passenger seat for 's
ts and giggles'
I am prepared to be flamed, but lets just keep track days for standard road cars ?
Invariably these cars almost always blow up, professional conversions are ok, but home builders almost always cause a red flag as the engine grenades on its second flying lap or a hose blows off 'coz massive boost innit' and pisses oil over the track.
And often they are just unreliable and constantly breaking down. And the drivers are 'fast in a straight line' with the mate timing in the passenger seat for 's
ts and giggles'I am prepared to be flamed, but lets just keep track days for standard road cars ?
Of course not. Everyone starts somewhere. If you stop this from happening then track days will die out as no new people will ever be allowed on one!
You wont see more bodging of fast cars than at a rally or touring car event!
When it comes to historic racing, the fastest, most reliable ones are (ussually) those with the most battle scars/repairs as they've been on the scene a while. You'll often find the immaculate freshly built ones being driven by track-novices.
Also, where do you draw the line at home built specials? A well set up Jedi (or similar single seater) will run rings around most supercars in capable hands, yet most of those are dipping into the realms of home brew specials now.
You wont see more bodging of fast cars than at a rally or touring car event!
When it comes to historic racing, the fastest, most reliable ones are (ussually) those with the most battle scars/repairs as they've been on the scene a while. You'll often find the immaculate freshly built ones being driven by track-novices.
Also, where do you draw the line at home built specials? A well set up Jedi (or similar single seater) will run rings around most supercars in capable hands, yet most of those are dipping into the realms of home brew specials now.
No, that would be a silly thing to do and ruin the trackday market overnight.
Part of the fun of owning a track car is to build and modify it yourself as you progress. If only 'standard' cars are allowed would that also mean you couldn't do your own maintenance on tt hem? Just in case it's bodged?
Part of the fun of owning a track car is to build and modify it yourself as you progress. If only 'standard' cars are allowed would that also mean you couldn't do your own maintenance on tt hem? Just in case it's bodged?
A troll for sure.
But I'm wondering if all track days are on a fine thread at the moment. What with all the Eco goings on I think the small fry will suffer first.
So track days before F1 as an example. Anything that brings in big revenue to the various government's of the world will be last out of the door as Eco reductions of apply.
But I'm wondering if all track days are on a fine thread at the moment. What with all the Eco goings on I think the small fry will suffer first.
So track days before F1 as an example. Anything that brings in big revenue to the various government's of the world will be last out of the door as Eco reductions of apply.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
ESD1711 said:
Should certain standards regarding safety and track-worthiness be enforced, perhaps more than currently in some instances? Absolutely.
I think this point sums up my frustrations best.Pothole said:
Perhaps you should have said that, then, instead of contradicting yourself: "Invariably these cars almost always blow up" Which is it?
there's no contradiction. They often blow up as they are poorly prepared or maybe a bit too optimistic on the boost, or perhaps not tied or tighten up the hose clamps enough?, and maybe a bit of scrutineering might catch a few of these?It's interesting the responses, just like on the race car thread a lot of people with a lot of vested interests disagreeing with the sentiment. So maybe we just let everyone on whatever they drive?
CanoeSniffer said:
CrutyRammers said:
Racing cars are scrutineered. How many of them break down? (Clue: It's a lot) How many track day cars break down which scrutineering would catch?
^ wot he said.Also, how many people would be willing to pay extra to have a scrutineer at every trackday?
Track day orginiser's are going to pay for a scrutineer? Not on you're nelly.
Pay £200 quid for a track day then get chucked out because a scrutineer doesn't like the mods. No refund from the tdo so then unhappy person slags off tdo etc on the Internet!
Where I mainly go on track days the circuit boss has a walk around the cars,checking tyres and that's about it..
Pay £200 quid for a track day then get chucked out because a scrutineer doesn't like the mods. No refund from the tdo so then unhappy person slags off tdo etc on the Internet!
Where I mainly go on track days the circuit boss has a walk around the cars,checking tyres and that's about it..
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
there's no contradiction. They often blow up as they are poorly prepared or maybe a bit too optimistic on the boost, or perhaps not tied or tighten up the hose clamps enough?, and maybe a bit of scrutineering might catch a few of these?
It's interesting the responses, just like on the race car thread a lot of people with a lot of vested interests disagreeing with the sentiment. So maybe we just let everyone on whatever they drive?
invariablyIt's interesting the responses, just like on the race car thread a lot of people with a lot of vested interests disagreeing with the sentiment. So maybe we just let everyone on whatever they drive?
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