Federal 595 RS-Rs are dead, long live what?

Federal 595 RS-Rs are dead, long live what?

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Wicker Man

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818 posts

249 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2019
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My second set of Federal 595 RS-R track day tyres are near their end. I think they are a great combination of price, performance with acceptable wet grip and wear. But Camskill tell me the original softish 140 compound tyres have been discontinued and the replacements are 220! That's nearing a road compound hardness.
Any recommendations for a set of 215 40R17 with change from £400 for my MG ZR 160? I want road legal tyres that'll last 10 or so track days.

nickfrog

21,762 posts

223 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2019
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NS2r if they come in that size. Or AD08r if not.

Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 3rd July 22:16

teabagger

723 posts

203 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2019
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MRichards99

309 posts

134 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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Looking on eBay and Demon Tweeks with that tyre size, £100/tyre is quite a stretch for the size you're after. AD08Rs are more like £125-30 per tyre - keeping under your budget looks like some road tyres that could be used on track. I've haven't looked on Camskill so there could be some good deals there. Are Camskill generally the cheapest for track tyres?

anonymous-user

60 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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Could you go up a profile step to 215/45 17?

That would make the tyres 2cm larger in diameter so you might get some rubbing if the car's low, and the speedo will be slightly out, but they still have stock of the 140 compound 595 and you seemed to be happy with them.

nickfrog

21,762 posts

223 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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MRichards99 said:
Looking on eBay and Demon Tweeks with that tyre size, £100/tyre is quite a stretch for the size you're after. AD08Rs are more like £125-30 per tyre - keeping under your budget looks like some road tyres that could be used on track.
They won't last 10 track days and will be frustrating on track as will overheat after 3 laps. The AD08r extra cost will be very small compared to chewing Road tyres outer shoulder.

MRichards99

309 posts

134 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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nickfrog said:
MRichards99 said:
Looking on eBay and Demon Tweeks with that tyre size, £100/tyre is quite a stretch for the size you're after. AD08Rs are more like £125-30 per tyre - keeping under your budget looks like some road tyres that could be used on track.
They won't last 10 track days and will be frustrating on track as will overheat after 3 laps. The AD08r extra cost will be very small compared to chewing Road tyres outer shoulder.
Are cars that eat outer edges of tyres because they're not suited to the track, rather than a bad alignment?

Bob Dong

2,556 posts

168 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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AR1.

Wicker Man

Original Poster:

818 posts

249 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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Thanks all.
[quote=charltjr]Could you go up a profile step to 215/45 17?[/quote=chaltjr]

The original MG ZR tyres were: 205/45 R17 (1934mm circumference): 0%
My preferred Federal 595 RS-R 215/40 R17 are 1897mm circumference: 98%
charltjr suggested: 215/45 R17 are in budget but 1963mm circumference: 101.5%

My modestly powered car is pretty much standard, so the slight adjustment to the gear ratio and increasing the rev limiter to 7500 is all I have to keep up with the 'faster' cars.
(Plus pedalling like fury...)




iguana

7,048 posts

266 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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MRichards99 said:
Are cars that eat outer edges of tyres because they're not suited to the track, rather than a bad alignment?
Usually too soft front spring rate and or not enough neg camber

braddo

11,067 posts

194 months

Thursday 4th July 2019
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nickfrog said:
They won't last 10 track days and will be frustrating on track as will overheat after 3 laps. The AD08r extra cost will be very small compared to chewing Road tyres outer shoulder.
The experience I've seen on Lotuses is very different (better) than that, along with pretty astonishing performance on a watersoaked track.

nickfrog

21,762 posts

223 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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MRichards99 said:
Are cars that eat outer edges of tyres because they're not suited to the track, rather than a bad alignment?
We are talking about road cars here so you're right, they're not suited for the track, or they are compromised. And Iguana is right, more neg camber will help, but too much will not be great on the road. And that's where semi slicks that will be OK on the road also make a decent track choice as the sidewalls are much stiffer and prevent the wall roll effect that eats the shoulder of road carcass tyres.

nickfrog

21,762 posts

223 months

Friday 5th July 2019
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braddo said:
The experience I've seen on Lotuses is very different (better) than that, along with pretty astonishing performance on a watersoaked track.
Probably thanks to low weight, better distribution and a bit more front neg camber.

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

249 months

Saturday 6th July 2019
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Chinese tyres were once the subject of many a joke, now Nankang make well respected great tyres. The next one on the up is the Indian MRF which is getting good reviews from racers and track dayers.

Edited by Evoluzione on Saturday 6th July 13:51

roddo

571 posts

201 months

Saturday 6th July 2019
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The MRF is one of the best tyres ive used.......and trust me at my age I've used a few

MRichards99

309 posts

134 months

Saturday 6th July 2019
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roddo said:
The MRF is one of the best tyres ive used.......and trust me at my age I've used a few
Guessing that's the ZTR (can see these are highly regarded at Mazda On Track too). What would you compare these tyres too? Are they good in the wet, ok on the road or are they lethal?

lewisr81

28 posts

91 months

Monday 8th July 2019
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MRF ZTR

Fantastic in the dry, surprisingly good in the wet.

The outside tread is only cut to 1.6mm, though, so wouldn't get much legal road use out of them.