Tyre pressures for track days

Tyre pressures for track days

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Markymark01

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6 posts

256 months

Saturday 23rd February 2019
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Hi all
Doing Snetterton on Monday but I don't have a lot of experience with car trackdays (done lots of bikes)
With bikes i would usually drop the tyre pressures a fair bit (depending on temp) but i'd be grateful for any advice about car tyre pressures.
Thanks a lot
Mark

terryb

986 posts

250 months

Saturday 23rd February 2019
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Depends on the type of car you have, but a decent rule of thumb suggestion is 30/30 hot

E-bmw

9,861 posts

158 months

Saturday 23rd February 2019
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Generally as a rule of thumb start at normal cold pressures, do a few laps, drop to cold pressures, do a few laps drop to cold pressures.

After doing that a couple of times the difference will only be a couple of PSI hot/cold, that is then what I use for the rest of the day & every time I stop I will check for the same pressure as I stop, just ensuring I do a warm up lap before "getting on it".

NardoRS

60 posts

74 months

Saturday 23rd February 2019
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Depends also on what tyre you are running; a performance/track oriented tyre will have a stiffer sidewall and can be run at a lower pressure. In my experience I’ve found the best feel for me in most cars has been on the lower end for hot presssures (below recommended cold pressures) of around 30 psi. Most of my track days have been with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup rubber and Michelin state a minimum hot pressure of 28 psi for that tyre.
Depending on what car/tyre/suspension you have there may be some useful information out there on the forums for you as a starting point.

E-bmw

9,861 posts

158 months

Saturday 23rd February 2019
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^^^^ Good point, I was making the assumption that you would be on a track biased suspension & tyre set up.

HustleRussell

25,146 posts

166 months

Saturday 23rd February 2019
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Depends on the weight of the car, tyre profile, suspension, track conditions, driving style etc.

Some cars if you drop the pressures too much you’ll scrub the outer shoulder of the tyres off in no time.

Burgerbob

486 posts

83 months

Saturday 23rd February 2019
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https://m.michelin.co.uk/high-performance/sport-dr...

I have PS4S tyres so follow Michelin's guide.

QBee

21,336 posts

150 months

Sunday 3rd March 2019
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Lighter the car, the less pressure you need.

My 2+ tonne Volvo XC90 runs with 40 psi all round on the road.
My 1 tonne TVR runs with 22psi front and 24 rear, and is like Bambi on ice if you put the standard KwikFit 36psi all round in it.

On a track day, if I start with 22psi in the front, after a good session or two my fronts are close to 30 psi.
So the advice is to relate your starting pressure to the weight of the car, and check your pressures regularly, taking any excess air out.

But don't forget if you are driving it home, make sure you have taken with you some way of putting air back in the tyres!!

J.M.T

159 posts

161 months

Sunday 3rd March 2019
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car specific however I try to run around 2.1 - 2.2 bar hot.
I start at 1.8 bar cold and take a bit out if I need to once it gets hot if I need to

sparkyhx

4,185 posts

210 months

Sunday 10th March 2019
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I have after market TPMS, and on my last track day - my rears should be 41psi, I lowered to 35psi before the session and hit the TPMS warning sound at 48psi - so up from 35-48psi yikes These were confirmed with a separate hand held cos I didn't believe the TPMS readings at first.

So dont under estimate the gain that is possible on a dry track.

Zarco

18,387 posts

215 months

Sunday 10th March 2019
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sparkyhx said:
I have after market TPMS, and on my last track day - my rears should be 41psi, I lowered to 35psi before the session and hit the TPMS warning sound at 48psi - so up from 35-48psi yikes These were confirmed with a separate hand held cos I didn't believe the TPMS readings at first.

So dont under estimate the gain that is possible on a dry track.
41psi is on the high side to start off with. What car is it?

I've never had more than 33psi recommended for a car.

sparkyhx

4,185 posts

210 months

Sunday 10th March 2019
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Zarco said:
sparkyhx said:
I have after market TPMS, and on my last track day - my rears should be 41psi, I lowered to 35psi before the session and hit the TPMS warning sound at 48psi - so up from 35-48psi yikes These were confirmed with a separate hand held cos I didn't believe the TPMS readings at first.

So dont under estimate the gain that is possible on a dry track.
41psi is on the high side to start off with. What car is it?

I've never had more than 33psi recommended for a car.
yes I was surprised, but they are E46 330 ci 2.9 bar on 255/35/18

QBee

21,336 posts

150 months

Sunday 10th March 2019
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Amazed - I associate 40+ psi with big 4x4s or big estate cars fully loaded.

HustleRussell

25,146 posts

166 months

Sunday 10th March 2019
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Low profile tyres need a lot of pressure as there obviously isn’t a lot of deflection available in the tyre

Zarco

18,387 posts

215 months

Sunday 10th March 2019
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I have 35 profile tyres and book pressures are 31 on the front I think. That's on a Renault Sport Megane so they are expected to take some stick.

sparkyhx

4,185 posts

210 months

Monday 11th March 2019
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fronts are 35, but rears 41/42

QBee

21,336 posts

150 months

Monday 11th March 2019
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Every day is a school day (said he, having managed to duck taking the grandchildren to primary school this morning. whistle )

JamesBryan88

164 posts

161 months

Monday 11th March 2019
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29psi hot seemed to get me the desired temperature with AR1's on my Clio.

ukkid35

6,279 posts

179 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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HustleRussell said:
Some cars if you drop the pressures too much you’ll scrub the outer shoulder of the tyres off in no time.
To check whether the shoulder is scrubbing you can use Tipex or similar on the tyre wall triangles




sparkyhx

4,185 posts

210 months

Wednesday 13th March 2019
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ukkid35 said:
HustleRussell said:
Some cars if you drop the pressures too much you’ll scrub the outer shoulder of the tyres off in no time.
To check whether the shoulder is scrubbing you can use Tipex or similar on the tyre wall triangles



genius idea