Big spacers

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Pebbles167

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3,720 posts

158 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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Hi all.

I was hoping to use some 15" wheels I have with AD08 tyres to take my old car on a few trackdays this year. Unfortunately, because of the Brembo caliper and large discs up front, I really need 17" or 16" wheels at the minimum to get the necessary clearance.

To save myself a new set of tyres, I was thinking of using hubcentric spacers and longer bolts up front, only problem is they'd have to be rather large, 35-40mm. I know it's not ideal, but 16" track tyres are hardly cheap and if possible I'd rather not fork out for a new set of wheels/tyres.

I've used 20mm spacers on track cars before without issue, would larger ones be that much different?

All thoughts, advice and criticism welcomed smile

E-bmw

9,864 posts

158 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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Wouldn't entertain the thought for a second personally, you would be putting massive forces into places that they weren't designed to be.

Pebbles167

Original Poster:

3,720 posts

158 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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Usually nor would I, but I noticed the drifters using spacers and figured it couldn't be too bad. I guess the bearings would have increased wear and the increase in unsprung weight wouldn't do the handling any favours either.

Wh00sher

1,640 posts

224 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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It won`t help the scrub radius either.

5 or 10mm on a FWD car is fine. 20mm on RWD but I certainly wouldn`t run 35 to 40mm.

Pebbles167

Original Poster:

3,720 posts

158 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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Yeah it's a front wheel drive Peugeot. Think I'll probably fork out for some new track tyres for the 16"s that fit.

Gord1

21 posts

94 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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I used 40mm hubcentric spacers on my kit car for a long time (on the track), on 14 inch wheels.
Now I'm on 15 inch wheels I only use 20mm spacers on the rears.
I never had any issues at all, but it only weighs about 550kg, not sure if that makes any difference?

PhillipM

6,529 posts

195 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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Cyclones? If so I really wouldn't want to run them with that offset, it'll make the steering rather ste and give you plenty of torque steer

Pebbles167

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3,720 posts

158 months

Saturday 27th January 2018
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I think the low weight of the kit car would make the added weight and offset less of an issue. Can't be sure though, never owned anything that light!

PhillipM said:
Cyclones? If so I really wouldn't want to run them with that offset, it'll make the steering rather ste and give you plenty of torque steer
Yep. Since no one seems to have used them on a 406 V6 before, I didn't find much info and so I based some choices on assumptions. Basically I fitted new AD08s to some cyclones and tried to put them on, and only then realised that the disc size is much larger and that the hub is a different design meaning that the wheels won't clear.

HustleRussell

25,146 posts

166 months

Sunday 28th January 2018
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Man maths. Spacers aren’t free and they are a bodge. Put cash you would’ve spent bodging it with spacers towards wheels and tyres which will solve the problem properly once and for all.

Pebbles167

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3,720 posts

158 months

Sunday 28th January 2018
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Indeed. Unfortunately I already bought 20mm spacers and longer bolts. That's when I noticed they wouldn't fit. Ill perhaps find a use for them elsewhere I guess.

In hindsight I'd have just got 16" track tyres and not been tempted by a deal on 15" tyres. In trying to save £130, I've needlessly spent around £500 on tyres and spacers, trying to swap wheels amongst my various Peugeots.

Lesson learned!

InitialDave

12,180 posts

125 months

Sunday 28th January 2018
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Are you using the spacers to "correct" the offset back to that of the standard wheel, such that the position of the centre of the contact patch is maintained relative to the suspension geometry?

That's probably not that bad, but once you've bought spacers and new studs/bolts, and taken into account what you could sell the wheels on for, how much are you really saving?

I'd rather use wheels that are at least somewhat close to correct.

Pebbles167

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3,720 posts

158 months

Sunday 28th January 2018
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The offset of the wheels I was trying to stick on was only around 6-8mm higher than the standard wheels. So sticking what could potentially be around 40mm spacers on there would be throwing it way out.

Wh00sher

1,640 posts

224 months

Sunday 28th January 2018
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Pebbles167 said:
In hindsight I'd have just got 16" track tyres and not been tempted by a deal on 15" tyres. In trying to save £130, I've needlessly spent around £500 on tyres and spacers, trying to swap wheels amongst my various Peugeots.

Lesson learned!
You certainly aren't the only one who has done that, I have.

Unfortunately, by the time you usually realise you've already spent so much that you may as well carry on.



bitwrx

1,352 posts

210 months

Sunday 28th January 2018
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If they're 195/50/15 then they shouldn't be to hard to shift on. Lots of S1 Elise boys use that size AD08 on the front. Either that or most 205s will be running 15s I'd imagine. I may be wrong, but possibly some MX-5s might run that size as well.

Shame about the mistake. Assumptions are a bh. Hopefully won't cost _too_ much to put right.

Pebbles167

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3,720 posts

158 months

Sunday 28th January 2018
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Cheers man. Nah it'll be fine. Just annoying that I'll have to wait until payday to get it all sorted.

I want it done now damn it! biggrin

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

204 months

Sunday 28th January 2018
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Nothing to add, except to share the pain. Ive certainly had similar misadventures!

E-bmw

9,864 posts

158 months

Sunday 28th January 2018
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I think we have all done something similar.

Bought something to save "if it works" and then it doesn't!!!!!

I have a garage full of part modifications for exactly that reason.