Delaminated Tyres warning

Delaminated Tyres warning

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wellground

Original Poster:

450 posts

190 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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My humble apologies to the forum and it’s moderators for not complying with forum rules in my previous post. It was an innocent attempt to prevent others from suffering my fate. Not any intent to offend anyone.

Anyway, I bought these tyres brand new, I cannot tell you where in the U.K. I bought them or the retailers identity.

But in just a few sessions from brand new, these tyres de-laminated at Castle Combe. Not a good place to have this happen at high speed.

This was my attempt at using cheap tyres for track days never again. I bought them on line, there was no mention on the website that these are remoulds. But they are, you can see the tread marks of the original road tyre under the outer remould.

I am not going to suggest people be aware, I just wanted you to see what happened when I tried to use a budget Motorsport tyre.

I hope I haven’t broken any forum rules this time.


MrBarry123

6,038 posts

127 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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What tyres are they?

Boosted LS1

21,198 posts

266 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Don't remoulds have to be identifiable as remoulds? Isn't there supposed to be something written on the sidewall?

wellground

Original Poster:

450 posts

190 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Can’t say what make or who supplied them or I will breach forum rules.

tumble dryer

2,076 posts

133 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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wellground said:
Can’t say what make or who supplied them or I will breach forum rules.
Maybe provide a small cryptic clue..?

wellground

Original Poster:

450 posts

190 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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They are black with yellow writing on the side. They are rally tarmac tyres, E marked and road legal. They have a 1B category for Motorsport and a unique tread pattern. They are seriously cheap and marketed by a large online retailer.

wellground

Original Poster:

450 posts

190 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Another photo showing the damage and the tread pattern. But NO manufacturers markings showing.


HorneyMX5

5,400 posts

156 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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I suspect I know which ones these are from the tread pattern.

Have run similar tarmac rally tyres on a couple of race cars with no issue other than being remoulds they’re always requiring a lot of weights to balance them.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

132 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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I always thought all these "rally tyres" were remoulds?

The tyre (re-)manufacturer's website certainly starts off with the words "<Brand> has been producing “remanufactured Competition Tyres” for over 20 years..."

I rather suspect that the manufacturer will point out that they're intended for tarmac special stages, and not for track use, and that they've been overheated.

nickfrog

21,771 posts

223 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Sorry to hear that. Were that much cheaper than say NS2rs ?

wellground

Original Poster:

450 posts

190 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Circa £70 each new for 18” wheels

InitialDave

12,180 posts

125 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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tumble dryer said:
wellground said:
Can’t say what make or who supplied them or I will breach forum rules.
Maybe provide a small cryptic clue..?
OP, if I asked you how much sport these tyres have, would you say it's the maximum amount?

Though I agree with the point that these tyres likely aren't intended to stand up to full-on track sessions.

rallycross

13,213 posts

243 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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wellground said:
Circa £70 each new for 18” wheels
So about 50% less than a proper track tyre.

I have considered buying these tyres previously, but decided on 2nd hand Yokohama's instead.
You get what you pay for and Castle Combe has got some high speed high load corners like Camp and Tower that would have tested these to the limit.

Shame you are not allowed to give a review its factual evidence no reason why a consumer should not show what happened.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

124 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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To be honest given how cheap the likes of Federal 595RSR , Nankang NSR2R and other tyres that are also very good like Yokohama AD08R, and the prevelance of used track tyres on various track day enthusiasts clubs, you have no sympathy for buying cheap tat.

I'm glad you are OK.

wellground

Original Poster:

450 posts

190 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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xjay1337 said:
you have no sympathy for buying cheap tat.

I'm glad you are OK.
I don't need, nor would I want your sympathy. I am only trying to help others avoid my pitfall of stupidity. Sorry if my post annoyed you.

anonymous-user

60 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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Naming and shaming would be for the retailer I imagine, if issues with a particular tyre couldn’t be discussed there would be a hell of a lot of disappearing threads on here.

Looking at the tread pattern it would appear they are sold as “perfect for track day events” but they’ve clearly failed big time, maybe they overheated or the pressures were very wrong, or the load rating was wrong, or it was just a manufacturing defect. Scary stuff.

What did the tyre manufacturer say?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

132 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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Looking at the retailer's page, it doesn't mention trackdays - only rally stages.

It also says in the "About <manufacturer>" tab that they have been "re-manufacturing" tyres for years.

There's a 2014 user review that mentions track days - and gives them one star, due to high noise levels and low grip. Another (5*) review mentions track days, while a third (5*) review says that the medium compound "overheats and rips up" less than the soft.

wellground

Original Poster:

450 posts

190 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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You have clearly found the product. I only wish to help others avoid my mistake. Cheap they are, quality they are not.

agent006

12,058 posts

270 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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I had a set of these on my BMW track car years ago. They were so utterly st on the road they never made it anywhere near a track. I barely did a few hundred miles before I got shot of them. The contact patch wasn't even flat across the width of the tyre.

iguana

7,048 posts

266 months

Saturday 28th October 2017
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If you have a little sniff around the Motorsport classifieds on here you should discover the big bunch of AO48s in 18s I'm selling for peanuts

Forum rules, I can't post a link.